Re: Equal access to content

2005-11-03 Thread Andy Davidson
Sean Donelan wrote: Should content suppliers be required to provide equal access to all networks? Or can content suppliers enter into exclusive contracts? Erm .. the content 'belongs' to the supplier, why shouldn't they be allowed to chose who can and can't get access to it. The

Re: Equal access to content

2005-11-03 Thread Mike Leber
That's a wonderful bluring of what Randy's issue was to the point of indistinction. Yes, try to flip it. The issue is when a consumer buys access to the Internet what do they get? One way of tackling this is a truth in advertising defintion of what selling access to the Internet means. If

Re: Equal access to content

2005-11-03 Thread Mike Leber
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Mike Leber wrote: Certainly AOL, Compuserve, and Prodigy were all walled gardens before the Internet. Before in the sense of before they connected to it. (not literally of course) +- H U R R I C A N E - E L E C T R I C -+ | Mike Leber

Re: Equal access to content

2005-11-03 Thread Randy Bush
That's a wonderful bluring of what Randy's issue was to the point of indistinction. Yes, try to flip it. The issue is when a consumer buys access to the Internet what do they get? for some help, see rfc 4084, though it is weak in the area of interest. randy

Re: classful routes redux

2005-11-03 Thread Robert E . Seastrom
Please pardon the crossposting between ppml and nanog... Geoff Huston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why /48 rather than /47 or /49? - alignment to nibble boundaries to make DNS delegation easier. It has recently come to my attention that we are in error when we expect n[iy]bble to have the same

Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-03 Thread Sean Donelan
if i am a paying sbc or other foopoloy voice customer, and i place a voice call to aunt tillie, does aunt tillie pay sbc to hold up her end of the conversation? Historically, aunt tillie's residential telephone line was subsidized by charging more for business lines. When you called aunt

Re: Equal access to content

2005-11-03 Thread Christian Kuhtz
I think this whole debate is really funny. Back in the days, email was content, USENET was content. Then FTP. Then IRC and the like. Oh, eventually the Web emerged. And so on. And somehow, because it's now movies or whatever, the rules changed. Give me a break. Truth is, the RBOCs

OT: Cisco Patches 'Black Hat' IOS Flaw

2005-11-03 Thread Henry Linneweh
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1881303,00.asp Apparently now all the bluster about people capable of fixing problems with the internet without a congressional mandate worked still. -Henry

Re: New Rules On Internet Wiretapping Challenged

2005-11-03 Thread Vicky Rode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 in-line: Adam Chesnutt wrote: This whole thread is silly! It's not hard to trap and trace a suspect. It doesn't require a Whole new generation of routers and switches - -- That was exactly my understanding but I think it goes beyond

RE: New Rules On Internet Wiretapping Challenged

2005-11-03 Thread Wayne Gustavus (nanog)
The 1994 law will have a devastating impact on the whole model of technical innovation on the Internet, said John Morris, staff counsel for the Center for Democracy and Technology in Washington, which filed an appeal of the rules with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia

Re: New Rules On Internet Wiretapping Challenged

2005-11-03 Thread Fred Baker
and, if you're interested, http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3924.txt 3924 Cisco Architecture for Lawful Intercept in IP Networks. F. Baker, B. Foster, C. Sharp. October 2004. (Format: TXT=40826 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) On Nov 3, 2005, at 9:17 AM, Vicky Rode wrote: You might want

RE: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-03 Thread Wayne Gustavus (nanog)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barak Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:18 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions snip like to point out for the record that none of the recent

Re: classful routes redux

2005-11-03 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: well, /56 /48 /32 seem to have resonance but are not special in any way Well, they are somewhat special. All of them are on eight-bit boundaries. The importance of this comes in when deciding how to lay out a routing table in a gate array or

L3 having issues on the west coast?

2005-11-03 Thread Jon Lewis
I was trying to get some IOS and compare a few images in FN, and found I cisco.com was being sluggish, and FN wouldn't load at all. Packets Pings Hostname%Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst ... 6.

Re: classful routes redux

2005-11-03 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 03:29:35PM -0500, Todd Vierling wrote: On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: well, /56 /48 /32 seem to have resonance but are not special in any way Well, they are somewhat special. All of them are on eight-bit boundaries. The importance of this comes in

Re: classful routes redux

2005-11-03 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 03:29:35PM -0500, Todd Vierling wrote: On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: well, /56 /48 /32 seem to have resonance but are not special in any way Well, they are somewhat special. All of them are

Re: classful routes redux

2005-11-03 Thread bmanning
whilst i'm at the mic here, ditch the idea of microassignments, just give out a standard /32 block ... lets not start out with ge 33 prefixes in the table when theres no need Steve there is this wonderful, apparently US phenomeon, called the warehouse store aka

Re: classful routes redux

2005-11-03 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Nov 3, 2005, at 4:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: saving the poor routing table is a laudable and worthwhile goal, but dumping the excess into the edges, just cause its easy strikes me as lame. a routing table slot is a slot is a slot. It holds a /96 as

Re: L3 having issues on the west coast?

2005-11-03 Thread Elijah Savage
Jon Lewis wrote: I was trying to get some IOS and compare a few images in FN, and found I cisco.com was being sluggish, and FN wouldn't load at all. Packets Pings Hostname%Loss Rcv Snt Last Best

Call for Volunteers for Mailing List Administration Panel

2005-11-03 Thread Randy Bush
There is an opening on the NANOG Mail List Administration Panel. According to the draft charter[1]: ... The NANOG list will be administered and minimally moderated by a panel selected by the Steering Committee. Accordingly, the Steering Committee is soliciting nominations for this

freebsd hands on in westin?

2005-11-03 Thread Randy Bush
anyone around who can do a freebsd hands-on in westin this eve or tomorrow? rob austein, genuine good guy and hero of the revolution, has an antique 2ru freebsd 4.11 box in my rack in on the 18th. boot blocks are mashed, there is no vga card, and it is not talking over the serial. so it needs

Re: classful routes redux

2005-11-03 Thread Paul Vixie
actually, no, I could compare a /48 to a class A. ...which makes the /32s-and-shorter that everybody's actually getting double-plus-As, or what? no, super *duper* A's. -- Paul Vixie

Re: L3 having issues on the west coast?

2005-11-03 Thread Vicky Rode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 They could be possible rate-limiting it. That's why tools such as mtr and others do not necessarily tell you the whole truth. regards, /virendra Elijah Savage wrote: Jon Lewis wrote: I was trying to get some IOS and compare a few images in

Re: freebsd hands on in westin?

2005-11-03 Thread Randy Bush
we have it lined up for tomorrow morning. if we hit a snag, you'll hear the rattling of my tin cup. thanks! randy