ML Admin Panel

2005-11-17 Thread Randy Bush
you may remember that steve gibbard asked to step down from the nanog mailing list admin panel. two weeks ago, the steering committee, with the ml panel, issued a call for volunteers to replace steve. the deadline was today. there were four volunteers, all of whom deserve our thanks for offerin

Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]

2005-11-17 Thread Sean Donelan
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > Other than references to spam and a couple other minor things, there's a > remarkable lack of discussion of content, either good or bad, in this draft. > If anything, this appears to be the exact opposite of what SBC et al want. > Given all the fuss abo

RE: What do we mean when we say "competition?"

2005-11-17 Thread David Schwartz
> So... Microsoft has a monopoly on Windows and the basic OS costs > you $299 with virtually no server capabilities. > > In the POSIX-style OS world, where you have multiple competitors, > prices range from $0 to $179. Either these products are comparable or they are not. If they are com

Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]

2005-11-17 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Christopher L. Morrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Blaine Christian wrote: Since port 80 and port 25 are lawful services everyone offering broadband will have to drop filters and provide full routing! Can you hear me now? Why yes, port 80 and port 25 are open, of cour

Network Access Solutions -- Anything left of them

2005-11-17 Thread John Palmer
Does anyone know if there is anything left of Network Access Solutions (NASC.OB)?   I know DSL.NET bought their DSL customer base, but are they still around doing something else?  

Re: Someone from nic.net registrar please contact me off-list

2005-11-17 Thread Evaldo Gardenali
Hannigan, Martin wrote: You know, if people are going to post here as a paging service, it would be nice to put some indication as to why - perhaps the rest of us can assist more quickly? 9 times out of 10 we can since it's usually operator/user error and not necessarily the providers issue. At

Re: IAB and "private" numbering

2005-11-17 Thread Mark Smith
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:44:10 +0100 Daniel Karrenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15.11 07:38, Mark Smith wrote: > > > > RFC1627, "Network 10 Considered Harmful (Some Practices Shouldn't be > > Codified)" and RFC3879, "Deprecating Site Local Addresses" provide some > > good examples of where

Re: Issue AS and Subnet Announcment on BGP - Conflict with a major TelCO - 30h+ of route flapping unresolved

2005-11-17 Thread Geoff Huston
At 05:57 AM 18/11/2005, Jeroen Massar wrote: Geoff Huston wrote: > > Normally I'm rather loathe to send urls around - but in this case you > may find this APNIC work directly relevant to what you are asking for: > > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-address-cert

Re: Issue AS and Subnet Announcment on BGP - Conflict with a major TelCO - 30h+ of route flapping unresolved

2005-11-17 Thread Jeroen Massar
Geoff Huston wrote: > > Normally I'm rather loathe to send urls around - but in this case you > may find this APNIC work directly relevant to what you are asking for: > > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-address-certificate.pdf It's really good to see this takin

Re: the future of the net

2005-11-17 Thread Blaine Christian
On Nov 17, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Jeff Rosowski wrote: Oh, the irony - all I get is: Linux Journal Is Currently Unavailable Due to a Denial of Service (DoS) Attack Sorry for any inconvenience. I suppose the bells and the cable providers are DOS'ing them . BTW, it is STILL not clear to me

RE: the future of the net

2005-11-17 Thread Steven J. Sobol
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > That's intriguing ... > > Translation: "Linux Journal has been linked to by Slashdot." It took forever for me to pull up the article in Mozilla, but it came up fine otherwise. I'm sure they did get slashdotted. -- Steve Sobol, Professiona

Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]

2005-11-17 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 01:23:03PM -0500, Steven J. Sobol wrote: > On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, Jared Mauch wrote: > > > > The cable industry claims 91% of households passed with two-way cable. > > > > And zero in my area. And you can't start a telco COOP in this > > state since the iLEC has encour

Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]

2005-11-17 Thread Steven J. Sobol
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, Jared Mauch wrote: > > The cable industry claims 91% of households passed with two-way cable. > > And zero in my area. And you can't start a telco COOP in this > state since the iLEC has encouraged laws to make that not legal. The > two major iLECs in this state (Ve

RE: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Edward W. Ray wrote: My cogent traffic is getting routed to my other peers here in Orange County, CA and I cannot access http://www.cogentco.com either. I have routes for it (38.0.0.0/8 from all my transits), but I can't reach www.cogentco.com either. Traces to it die

RE: Issue AS and Subnet Announcment on BGP - Conflict with a major TelCO - 30h+ of route flapping unresolved

2005-11-17 Thread Geoff Huston
Normally I'm rather loathe to send urls around - but in this case you may find this APNIC work directly relevant to what you are asking for: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-address-certificate.pdf I also did some work a year or so back on the differences bet

RE: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Edward W. Ray
My cogent traffic is getting routed to my other peers here in Orange County, CA and I cannot access http://www.cogentco.com either. Edward W. Ray CISSP, MCSE 2003+Security, P.E., SANS GCIA Gold, SANS GCIH Gold President NetSec Design & Consulting http://www.netsecdesign.com (714) 997-9226

RE: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Erik Sundberg
fyi i can NOT get to http://status.cogentco.com thru xo and savvis in chicago > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Lyons, Myke > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:33 AM > Cc: nanog@merit.edu > Subject: RE: [NANOG]Cogent issues > > > > > >

Re: IAB and "private" numbering

2005-11-17 Thread Edward Lewis
At 13:59 -0800 11/11/05, Tony Tauber wrote: There are some resources, like IP addresses and AS numbers, the proper operation of which hinges on their uniqueness. ... Does this concern make sense? Does this course of action make sense? Is there a(nother) better venue than the IAB? What do pe

Re: the future of the net

2005-11-17 Thread Jeff Rosowski
Oh, the irony - all I get is: Linux Journal Is Currently Unavailable Due to a Denial of Service (DoS) Attack Sorry for any inconvenience.

Re: IAB and "private" numbering

2005-11-17 Thread Daniel Karrenberg
On 15.11 07:38, Mark Smith wrote: > > RFC1627, "Network 10 Considered Harmful (Some Practices Shouldn't be > Codified)" and RFC3879, "Deprecating Site Local Addresses" provide some > good examples of where duplicate or overlapping address spaces cause > problems, which is what happens when differ

RE: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Lyons, Myke
.myke lyons > -Original Message- > From: David J. Coulson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 17 November 2005 15:54 > To: M. Aelmans | Synssans B.V. > Cc: Lyons, Myke; nanog@merit.edu > Subject: Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues > > M. Aelmans | Synssans B.V. wrote: > > I see very high latency t

Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, David Barak wrote: I think you mean http://www.cogentco.com It's up. Their wholesale dialup product appears to be down. A coworker just called it in and was told "multiple fiber cuts" have seriously impacted Cogent's network. Multiple simultaneous fiber cuts...yeah,

Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17-Nov-2005, at 10:59, Brian Kerr wrote: On 11/17/05, Eric Gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just to make analysis easier: Which prefixes should be missing? There seem to be larger problems, http://www.cogent.com returns: That does seem to be a problem for cogent.com. To complete y

Re: Cogent Issues

2005-11-17 Thread Ryan A. Krenzischek
I'm going to try this again. It seems like my messages are not going through. Regards, Ryan -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:04:29 -0500 (EST) To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Cogent Issues... (Update) Cogent is experiencing 2 fiber cuts in the north/southeas

Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Brian Kerr
On 11/17/05, Brian Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There seem to be larger problems, > > http://www.cogent.com returns: > > Error 404 Not found Pay no attention, I apparently don't know what I'm doing.

Re: the future of the net

2005-11-17 Thread Jon Lewis
The URL http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8673 now leads to the following message: "Linux Journal Is Currently Unavailable Due to a Denial of Service (DoS) Attack Sorry for any inconvenience." That's intriguing ... Most likely incorrect too. They've been /.'d...not just nanog'd. They

Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread David Barak
--- Brian Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 11/17/05, Eric Gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Heya, > > > > > Just to make analysis easier: Which prefixes > should be missing? > > There seem to be larger problems, > > http://www.cogent.com returns: > > Error 404 Not found I t

RE: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Lyons, Myke
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Brian Kerr > Sent: 17 November 2005 16:00 > To: nanog@merit.edu > Subject: Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues > > > On 11/17/05, Eric Gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Heya, > > > > > Just to make ana

Cogent Issues... (Update)

2005-11-17 Thread Ryan A. Krenzischek
Cogent is experiencing 2 fiber cuts in the north/southeast-US. The locations are: Between Houston and Tampa (Southeast) Ticket #347277 Between Philidelpha and DC (Northeast) Ticket #347375 Customers traversing cogent's network will experience latency and packet loss. You can check the sta

Re: the future of the net

2005-11-17 Thread Daniel Karrenberg
On 16.11 21:33, Bubba Parker wrote: > > Seems to be back up now. At this time I got "Linux Journal Is Currently Unavailable Due to a Denial of Service (DoS) Attack Sorry for any inconvenience." Interesting. At first sight I though that was why Randy posted the URL under "future of the net" ;-

RE: the future of the net

2005-11-17 Thread andrew2
> The URL > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8673 > > now leads to the following message: > > "Linux Journal Is Currently Unavailable Due to a Denial of > Service (DoS) Attack Sorry for any inconvenience." > > That's intriguing ... Translation: "Linux Journal has been linked to by Slash

RE: Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread David Hubbard
Anyone else find it funny that of all the Cogent peering on that chart, only the Cogent to Level 3 link shows green? :-) David > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Ryan A. Krenzischek > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:49 AM > To:

Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Brian Kerr
On 11/17/05, Eric Gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Heya, > > > Just to make analysis easier: Which prefixes should be missing? There seem to be larger problems, http://www.cogent.com returns: Error 404 Not found The host name in the URL you have requested "www.cogent.com" does not match

Re: the future of the net

2005-11-17 Thread Robert Mathews
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Bubba Parker wrote: > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:33:17 -0600 > From: Bubba Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Gordon Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > nanog@merit.edu > Subject: Re: the future of the net > > > Seems to be

Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Eric Gauthier
Heya, > Just to make analysis easier: Which prefixes should be missing? We've got a feed from Cogent out of Boston and we did see a 5 minute drop by about 5k routes in their annoucements. After that, we look as though we're only short by around 400 or so prefixes: 11/17/2005 9:30172,

Re: Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Ryan A. Krenzischek
Take a look at this: http://scoreboard.keynote.com/scoreboard/Main.aspx?Login=Y&Username=public&Password=public I just got off the phone with Cogent. They said there was a fiber cut in the eastern-US. The representative did not have specific details. They said either in the NY or DC area.

Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread M. Aelmans | Synssans B.V.
Lyons, Myke wrote: For the past hour or so a number of sites that I have with Cogent have been unreachable. Also, I am unable to get through to their support line. Is anyone else seeing this? .myke lyons I see very high latency to Cogent London. Regards, Melchior

Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Elmar K. Bins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lyons, Myke) wrote: > For the past hour or so a number of sites that I have with Cogent have > been unreachable. Also, I am unable to get through to their support > line. Is anyone else seeing this? Just to make analysis easier: Which prefixes should be missing? Elmar. --

RE: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread David Hubbard
They've got something going on, we've got about a 25% drop in our outbound Cogent traffic at about 9:45 AM EST. David > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Lyons, Myke > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:31 AM > To: nanog@merit.edu >

[NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Lyons, Myke
Title: [NANOG]Cogent issues For the past hour or so a number of sites that I have with Cogent have been unreachable.  Also, I am unable to get through to their support line.  Is anyone else seeing this? .myke lyons

Re: the future of the net

2005-11-17 Thread Scott McGrath
Thought provoking article and the consumer side of the 'net is already heading there i.e. no VPN on many 'broadband' lines unless you pay for 'business' CoS (which I do). Does anyone here remember the Dow Jones Information service in which you are billed by the minute AND the service you access

Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?"

2005-11-17 Thread Matthew Crocker
Windows 98 price (in 1997) -> $209 Office 97 Standard (in 1997) -> $689 Windows XP price (now) -> $199. Office 2003 (now) -> $399. Verizon Retail 768k DSL, $14.95/month (includes everything) Verizon Wholesale 768k DSL, $13.95/month + DS3 ATM + IP + support + e- mail Verizon CLEC 2W DSL Con

Re: Our advertising address(125.30.0.0/16) has filtered

2005-11-17 Thread MAMIYA Akihiko
Hello, IIJ/AS2497 still sees problems with source address, 125.30.0.0/16. It seems that many ASs and servers are blocking packets from 125.30.0.0/16. We hope you would check your filters again. Two points: 1) route filter (prefix based filters) 2) packet filter (ACLs on interface)<- do no