Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread neal rauhauser
Mechanical pencil, a sheet of paper for a straight edge, and a penny when you want to make a proffesional looking round object. I publish to Flickr using macro mode on my Fuji Finepix 5100 to make the picture. No little Cisco hockey puck stencils, but last year when I sketched a steaming

Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread Mark Foster
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Mark Rogaski wrote: An entity claiming to be John Kinsella ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : : Not trying to start a Visio religious war, just saying there's a reason : enterprises use it. : And it's not just that they think that having thousands of open stencil windows is imp

Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread Gary E. Miller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yo Howard! On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 09:17:44PM -0500, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network > graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both > little pictures of equipm

Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread Mark Rogaski
An entity claiming to be John Kinsella ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : : Not trying to start a Visio religious war, just saying there's a reason : enterprises use it. : And it's not just that they think that having thousands of open stencil windows is impressive when you open a single diagram? Ma

Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, John Kinsella wrote: > If you're doing diagrams for internal use and know the chances of them > being used with external parties is slim-to-none, go ahead, play with > toys like dia. Omnigraffle looks hopeful, but haven't personally used. Omnigraffle can re

Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread Andrew Burnette
Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangles saying "7507 STL-1" or "M160 NY

Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread John Kinsella
On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 09:17:44PM -0500, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network > graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both > little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much > prefer things

Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangles saying "7

Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network > graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both > little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer > things li

Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:20:19 -1000, Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > xfig > And something I learned only recently -- xfig comes with a large library of clip art. Here are the categories on my system: $ ls /usr/pkg/lib/X11/xfig/Libraries/ Arrows Electronic Labels

Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread Wil Schultz
KDE has a "Visio-like" tool called kivio It was pretty much useless last I looked, but looks like it has some potential. Think I heard that you would be able to use the visio format at some point too, probably not yet though. http://www.koffice.org/kivio/ I've used dia a bit, seems reasonabl

Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Mar 21, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangl

Re: Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread Randy Bush
xfig emacs artist-mode randy

Network graphics tools

2006-03-21 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangles saying "7507 STL-1" or "M160 NYC-3". Assuming you use *NIX

Re: Final report: national diversity assurance initiative

2006-03-21 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:23:57 CST, Frank Coluccio said: > > It may be ridiculous and incredible, as you suggest, but, in an ironic way it > also opens the door to a discussion on nationalizing the 'Net's backbone > infrastructure ;-) Well, looking at the recent security scorecards, we can choose b

Re: Final report: national diversity assurance initiative

2006-03-21 Thread Christian Kuhtz
*groan* Oh that's a lovely thought! On Mar 21, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Frank Coluccio wrote: It may be ridiculous and incredible, as you suggest, but, in an ironic way it also opens the door to a discussion on nationalizing the 'Net's backbone infrastructure ;-) Christian

Re: Final report: national diversity assurance initiative

2006-03-21 Thread Frank Coluccio
It may be ridiculous and incredible, as you suggest, but, in an ironic way it also opens the door to a discussion on nationalizing the 'Net's backbone infrastructure ;-) Christian Kuhtz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Due to the cost structures for these projects, the telecommunic

Re: Final report: national diversity assurance initiative

2006-03-21 Thread Christian Kuhtz
"Due to the cost structures for these projects, the telecommunications carriers believe that funding for the scoping effort and the implementation of an automated solution would need to come from the Federal government or some other external source prior to project implementation." .. a

Final report: national diversity assurance initiative

2006-03-21 Thread Sean Donelan
ATIS has issued its final reports about its circuit national diversiety assurance initiative. "The NDAI report confirmed our suspicions that diversity assurance is not for the meek," Malphrus added. "It is expensive and requires commitment by the customer to work closely with carriers in p

TLD strings currently in use

2006-03-21 Thread John L Crain
Hi folks, I hope you consider this operational and on Topic:) We have been receiving some reports of rejection of TLD strings at the ISP level. Some of this may be due to length limitations set in peoples software, there may also be other causes. We want to make sure that there is a place w

RE: [c-nsp] Which IOS do *you* use?

2006-03-21 Thread Neil J. McRae
anyone running rockies 3 on 76 in anger?

Re: [c-nsp] Which IOS do *you* use?

2006-03-21 Thread Michael Loftis
*HEADDESK* And I've not gotten my coffee yet. I also subscribe to c-nsp so...yeah. Thanks Robert :P Move along, nothing to see!

Re: [c-nsp] Which IOS do *you* use?

2006-03-21 Thread Michael Loftis
--On March 21, 2006 3:41:47 AM -0500 Robert Boyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We run mostly on 7200s. 12.3 definitely still has some bugs. Esp. with odd things like directly connected routes and networks disappearing from the routing table when using CEF - at least until you globally disabl

Re: DNS Amplification Attacks

2006-03-21 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 07:09:49AM +, Andy Davidson wrote: > Joseph S D Yao wrote: > [...] > >service except perhaps to their own population, than against what can > >you compare the DNS service that you are getting, to see whether it is > >giving you what "the world" should be seeing? > > DN

Re: [c-nsp] Which IOS do *you* use?

2006-03-21 Thread Robert Boyle
Sorry folks, I'm up too late. I replied to the wrong list! Have a good night everyone. -Robert Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | 973-300-9211 "Well done is better than well said." - Benjamin Franklin

Re: [c-nsp] Which IOS do *you* use?

2006-03-21 Thread Robert Boyle
At 05:29 PM 3/20/2006, you wrote: I've got a customer running a few 3660s with 12.2.29 on them. We went back to 12.2.29 because we saw all sorts of evil stuff with 12.3.16 on our test box - we'd drop all BGP sessions and end up with half a dozen obviously foreign prefixes listed as directly