RE: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Edward B. DREGER wrote: > Again, I don't see how AT&T can claim "DSL is fast enough" in one > breath, then turn around and say they're ready to deliver IPTV. This has been covered in other public presentations. The access link for VDSL2 has about 25Mbps at the proposed distan

RE: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Frank Bulk
Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I meant IP-based STB's, like those made from Amino, Entone, i3 Micro, Motorola's Kreatel, Cisco's Scientific-Atlanta, Wegener, Sentivision and middleware from vendors such as Infogate, Microsoft, Minerva, Orca Interactive, and Siemen's Myrio. And now that content prov

RE: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Matt Ghali
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Frank Bulk wrote: Yes, there are quite a few MPEG4-capable STB vendors with lots of middleware vendors standing behind them, but I challenge you to document one STB/middleware combination in GA. I haven't seen it. Talk to me in six months, and it will be a different story.

Re: OT: Xen

2006-04-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, David Lesher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Panix is offering Xen-based virtual servers. I mention same here > only because I've seen almost no discussion of virtualized servers, > and hope to learn from the surely-resulting flameware > >http://www.panix.com/corp/virtuals/

OT: Xen

2006-04-01 Thread David Lesher
Panix is offering Xen-based virtual servers. I mention same here only because I've seen almost no discussion of virtualized servers, and hope to learn from the surely-resulting flameware http://www.panix.com/corp/virtuals/ -- A host is a host from coast to [EMAIL PROTECTED] & no one

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Daniel Senie wrote: > Since AT&T provides nearly all of the transit bandwidth to Comcast in > New England, this thread says to me, more or less, "those folks at > Comcast claim speeds they can't deliver, because the backbone they > use -- which happens to be AT&T's -- is too co

RE: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Frank Bulk
Simon: Our regional head-end is adding MPEG4 in the next 3-6 months, so we're on the same bandwagon. Unfortunately, we've spent $$$ on MPEG2-only STB. It looks like we could be transport MPEG2 and MPEG4 around our local transport rings for a long time. We'll use the MPEG4 for customers who wan

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Hello; On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Simon Lockhart wrote: On Sat Apr 01, 2006 at 01:26:51PM -0600, Frank Bulk wrote: The majority of U.S.-based IP TV deployments are not using MPEG-4 Agreed. However, I'd say that any IPTV provider currently using MPEG2 would be planning a migration to MPE

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Marshall Eubanks
I archive NTSC video in MPEG-2 at roughly 30 Mbps. That way, there are no worries about future codecs being too good for the archives. Regards Marshall On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Simon Lockhart wrote: On Sat Apr 01, 2006 at 08:43:54PM +, Edward B. DREGER wrote: I'm curious how progr

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Sat Apr 01, 2006 at 08:43:54PM +, Edward B. DREGER wrote: > I'm curious how program content is currently stored. (Note that I'm > totally ignoring live broadcast.) If MPEG-2, I'd guess conversion to > MPEG-4 might produce less-than-desirable image quality. Whilst MPEG-2 for broadcast p

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Sat Apr 01, 2006 at 01:26:51PM -0600, Frank Bulk wrote: > The majority of U.S.-based IP TV deployments are not using MPEG-4 Agreed. However, I'd say that any IPTV provider currently using MPEG2 would be planning a migration to MPEG4/H.264 - half the bandwidth means double the channels. > in f

RE: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Edward B. DREGER
FB> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:26:51 -0600 FB> From: Frank Bulk FB> The majority of U.S.-based IP TV deployments are not using MPEG-4, in fact, FB> you would be hard-pressed to find an MPEG-4 capable STB working with FB> middleware. *nod* Again, I don't see how AT&T can claim "DSL is fast enough"

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 08:34:36AM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060331-6498.html > > "In the foreseeable future, having a 15 Mbps Internet capability is > irrelevant because the backbone doesn't transport at those speeds," he > told the conference

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Robert Boyle
At 02:02 PM 4/1/2006, you wrote: Could be either. Did you happen to catch the woman from Verizon at the last NANOG who was sure parts of New Orleans were 2 miles below sea level? Maybe that was a really early AFJ. Maybe it's the lost city of Atlantis or maybe she was confused about meters v

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Edward B. DREGER
JL> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:02:13 -0500 (EST) JL> From: Jon Lewis JL> Maybe they meant that the typical end-user windows IP stack has small enough JL> TCP windows that when you take into account typical latency across the JL> internet, those users just can't utilize their high bandwidth links du

RE: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Frank Bulk
The majority of U.S.-based IP TV deployments are not using MPEG-4, in fact, you would be hard-pressed to find an MPEG-4 capable STB working with middleware. SD MPEG-2 runs around ~4 Mbps today and HD MPEG-2 is ~19 Mbps. With ADSL2+ you can get up to 24 Mbps per home on very short loops, but if

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Marshall Eubanks wrote: If AT&T is really claiming that their backbone has less than 15 Mbps capacity (which is how "the backbone doesn't transport at those speeds" reads in plain English), this is either Maybe they meant that the typical end-user windows IP stack has sma

Drone Armies C&C Report - 01 Apr 2006

2006-04-01 Thread c2report
This is a periodic public report from the ISOTF's affiliated group 'DA' (Drone Armies (botnets) research and mitigation mailing list / TISF DA) with the ISOTF affiliated ASreport project (TISF / RatOut). For this report it should be noted that we base our analysis on the data we have accumulate

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Marshall Eubanks
If AT&T is really claiming that their backbone has less than 15 Mbps capacity (which is how "the backbone doesn't transport at those speeds" reads in plain English), this is either - an April Fools joke or - pitiful. Regards Marshall Eubanks On Apr 1, 2006, at 1:50 AM, Bruce Pinsky wrote:

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Daniel Senie
At 05:25 AM 4/1/2006, Sean Donelan wrote: But I think Mr. Stephenson's point was a network bottleneck is not always based on the access link speed some ISPs put in their advertising. Just go to any ISP user forum and you will see long threads complaining they can only download X Mbps from site Y

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Joe Provo
On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 05:25:40AM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: [snip] > But I think Mr. Stephenson's point was a network bottleneck is not always > based on the access link speed some ISPs put in their advertising. Just go > to any ISP user forum and you will see long threads complaining they can >

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: > > But I think Mr. Stephenson's point was a network bottleneck is not always > based on the access link speed some ISPs put in their advertising. > There are also differences in how people use the network. Power > users and gamer

Re: AT&T: 15 Mbps Internet connections "irrelevant"

2006-04-01 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060331-6498.html > > "In the foreseeable future, having a 15 Mbps Internet capability is > irrelevant because the backbone doesn't transport at those speeds," he > told the conference attendees. Stephenson said