Re: AOL 421 errors

2006-05-03 Thread Derek J. Balling
On May 3, 2006, at 5:28 PM, Joe Maimon wrote: You know, people say things like this a lot. Its not relevant. What is relevant is how AOL is supposed to know that a) the email considered for rejection is actually wanted b) and wanted by AOL employees themselves And if they did know how to a

Re: Usage-based billing

2006-05-03 Thread Christian Kuhtz
On May 3, 2006, at 2:50 PM, Peter Dambier wrote: How do you count DoS and SPAM? They are not wanted. Do you charge for them? Of course. Life sux and then you die.

Re: Usage-based billing

2006-05-03 Thread Peter Dambier
ravi wrote: Hello all, read through the charter/guidelines and I believe (hopefully correctly!) that my questions are not out of place. I am looking for advice on usage based billing solutions. I am interested both in the data collector / collection part and the billing part, and would ideally

Re: Strange network problem accessing Ebay and versiontracker websites

2006-05-03 Thread Warren Kumari
Sounds a whole bunch like you have a PMTUD (Path MTU Discovery) issue. Change the MTU on a host to be smaller and see if this fixes the issue... If it does, there are a bunch of networking tricks you can play to fix it for all of the customers. MSS rewrite is one, clearing the DF BIt on a

RE: Strange network problem accessing Ebay and versiontracker websites

2006-05-03 Thread Shane Owens
We don't use PPOE. Our network setup is DSL Modem -->ATM-->BLC (Occam)-->IP--->Router--->Transit provider. Basically we turn on the service and it's always running. We don't require any authentication or do any subscriber management on our users. I will start looking into the MTU issue though.

Re: Strange network problem accessing Ebay and versiontracker websites

2006-05-03 Thread Robert Sherrard
For what's it's worth you could use ping and the "don't fragment" switch to test MTU sizes. Rob Justin M. Streiner wrote: On Wed, 3 May 2006, Shane Owens wrote: Can anyone give me any suggestions as to what routes to take to troubleshoot this? Logic tell me that is I have reach ability a

Re: AOL 421 errors

2006-05-03 Thread Joe Maimon
Jim Popovitch wrote: Matthew Black wrote: I've been dealing with this too for 6 days now (2 of them while away on vacation). My sympathies. Sure there are spam problems, but to block requested email from reaching interested users (some of them being AOL employees themselves)

Re: Strange network problem accessing Ebay and versiontracker websites

2006-05-03 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 3 May 2006, Shane Owens wrote: Can anyone give me any suggestions as to what routes to take to troubleshoot this? Logic tell me that is I have reach ability and one browser work but another doesn't it's a software problem with either the browser or the site, but being able to take the

Strange network problem accessing Ebay and versiontracker websites

2006-05-03 Thread Shane Owens
All, I know this probably isn't the best forum for this question but I'd like to rule out a network problem before I tell a customer he has a PC problem. I run a small CLEC network that is single homed to BTN for transit. I have 3 sites all interconnected via DS3's and provide DSL services from

Re: AOL 421 errors

2006-05-03 Thread Jim Popovitch
Matthew Black wrote: We've noticed a surge in 421 e-mail errors from AOL. Message soft bounced for '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', '4.3.2 - Not accepting messages at this time ('421', [': (DYN:T1) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/421dynt1.html', 'SERVICE NOT AVAILABLE']) []' It seems as though

RE: AOL 421 errors

2006-05-03 Thread David Hubbard
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > We've noticed a surge in 421 e-mail errors from AOL. > > Message soft bounced for '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', '4.3.2 - Not > accepting messages at > this time ('421', [': (DYN:T1) > http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/421dynt1.html', 'SE

AOL 421 errors

2006-05-03 Thread Matthew Black
We've noticed a surge in 421 e-mail errors from AOL. Message soft bounced for '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', '4.3.2 - Not accepting messages at this time ('421', [': (DYN:T1) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/421dynt1.html', 'SERVICE NOT AVAILABLE']) []' It seems as though they've tightened down

Re: CALEA Watch: ISP's Get to Pick Up the Tab

2006-05-03 Thread Henry Linneweh
This is nothing but a back door tax to stick your customers, who will have to pay for them being spied on in the first place, NDA not withstanding -Henry --- Fergie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just wanted to bring your attention to an FCC > decsion today > that will most likely touch yo

Re: Tier 2 - Lease?

2006-05-03 Thread Martin Hannigan
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Usage-based billing

2006-05-03 Thread ravi
Hello all, read through the charter/guidelines and I believe (hopefully correctly!) that my questions are not out of place. I am looking for advice on usage based billing solutions. I am interested both in the data collector / collection part and the billing part, and would ideally want separati

CALEA Watch: ISP's Get to Pick Up the Tab

2006-05-03 Thread Fergie
Just wanted to bring your attention to an FCC decsion today that will most likely touch your operational lives in a big way. [snip] Broadband providers and Internet phone companies will have to pick up the tab for the cost of building in mandatory wiretap access for police surveillance, federal

Re: Multi ISP DDOS

2006-05-03 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 11:52 AM 5/3/2006, Peter Wohlers wrote: Martin Hannigan wrote: > > At 10:11 PM 5/2/2006, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > >> On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 06:40:43PM -0700, Tim Pozar wrote: >> > UL is seeing a large DDOS coming towards a couple of customers of ours. >> > I know that other ISPs have

Re: Tier 2 - Lease?

2006-05-03 Thread Marshall Eubanks
The tier nomenclature also a really good way to instigate flame fests on lists such as this. Regards Marshall On May 3, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Joe Provo wrote: On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 10:38:22PM -0700, Robert Sherrard wrote: What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider... Marketin

Re: Tier 2 - Lease?

2006-05-03 Thread Jay Hennigan
Robert Sherrard wrote: What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider... "We are a tier 1 provider" = "I am a salesperson." "They are a tier 2 provider." = "I am a salesperson and they are our competitor". > Is it possible to determine who a tier 2 (i.e. Cogent) leases fiber from

Wikipedia watching (was: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-03 Thread William Allen Simpson
At 01:58 AM 5/3/2006, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_carrier As of this exact moment that I'm posting, that article is actually reasonably accurate. Of course I'm sure in 5 minutes 100 people will be Berkman, Scott wrote: > Interesting to notice someone (pe

Re: Tier 2 - Lease?

2006-05-03 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On May 3, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Todd Underwood wrote: to underline a point made previously though: Tier-1 is a routing architecture term that doesn't have any useful direct bearing in how best to select a service provider. s/routing architecture/business/ It is possible to be a "Tier Two" prov

Re: Tier 2 - Lease?

2006-05-03 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 10:38:22PM -0700, Robert Sherrard wrote: > > What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider... Marketing. The nomenclature is a completelyy irrelevant hangover of the NSFnet days when people thought in terms of "the backbone". If your providers' value is only

Re: Multi ISP DDOS

2006-05-03 Thread Peter Wohlers
Martin Hannigan wrote: > > At 10:11 PM 5/2/2006, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > >> On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 06:40:43PM -0700, Tim Pozar wrote: >> > UL is seeing a large DDOS coming towards a couple of customers of ours. >> > I know that other ISPs have been affected as well. I will let them >>

Re: Tier 2 - Lease?

2006-05-03 Thread Todd Underwood
so annoying. people keep trying to add several non-tier-1 providers in there. cogent 174 : no. buys transit from 2914 (NTT america/verio) btn 3491 : no. buys from savvis 3561 i believe ft 5511 : no. buys from sprint 1239 i'm pretty sure i saw some other silly ones in there, too, but i can'

Re: Tier 2 - Lease?

2006-05-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 03 May 2006 07:47:20 PDT, "Berkman, Scott" said: > Interesting to notice someone (perhaps from this list?) has removed > Cogent from the T1 list. Wishful thinking from somebody carrying a grudge at Level3? (ducks) :) pgpmzdStuyLs6.pgp Description: PGP signature

RE: Tier 2 - Lease?

2006-05-03 Thread Berkman, Scott
Interesting to notice someone (perhaps from this list?) has removed Cogent from the T1 list. They did however leave http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogent alone. -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Hannigan Sent: Wednesday

Re: BGP data needed

2006-05-03 Thread David Andersen
You can find the feeds we (myself and Nick Feamster) collect at the RON testbed at http://www.datapository.net/data/ (the two subdirs - bgpup and bgptables - should be fairly self- explanatory.) Note that some of the data we have in there is Abilene routing data. While we have a faithfu

Re: Tier 2 - Lease?

2006-05-03 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 01:58 AM 5/3/2006, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 10:38:22PM -0700, Robert Sherrard wrote: > > What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider... > > Is it possible to determine who a tier 2 (i.e. Cogent) leases fiber from? It has absolutely nothing to do with

RE: Tier 2 - Lease?

2006-05-03 Thread Daniel Golding
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider... > This has been answered by Richard, but to put my two cents in - you shouldn't care. There is very little correlation between performance

Re: BGP data needed

2006-05-03 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Tue, 2 May 2006, Ricardo V. Oliveira wrote: > I was wondering where I can find recent BGP data in the form of BGP > updates+RIBs besides RouteViews and RIPE? We don't save updates, but if you want RIBs, we've got them back to 1997. Recent years are online at: http://www.pch.ne

Re: Tier 2 - Lease?

2006-05-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 03 May 2006 06:32:24 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > er... a typo? should be... "... we turn ON the phones in their NOC." No, turning the phones *on* is what you do to their help desk. :) Turning off the phones shouldn't inconvenience a NOC that much, since most of the people the