Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Jim Popovitch
Fred Baker wrote: On May 11, 2006, at 8:42 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: Why not just plain ole hostnames like nanog, www.nanog, mail.nanog For the same reason DNS was created in the first place. You will recall that we actually HAD a hostname file that we traded around... Let's not go

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 02:22 AM 5/12/2006, Jim Popovitch wrote: Fred Baker wrote: On May 11, 2006, at 8:42 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: Why not just plain ole hostnames like nanog, www.nanog, mail.nanog For the same reason DNS was created in the first place. You will recall that we actually HAD a hostname file

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread David Ulevitch
On May 11, 2006, at 11:28 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: Im having an offline discussion with a list member and I'll ask, why does it matter if you have a domain name if a directory can hold everything you need to know about them via key words and ip-addrs, NAT's and all? It's all about

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Fred Baker
On May 11, 2006, at 11:28 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: Im having an offline discussion with a list member and I'll ask, why does it matter if you have a domain name if a directory can hold everything you need to know about them via key words and ip- addrs, NAT's and all? I think there is a

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Fri, 12 May 2006, Jim Popovitch wrote: Fred Baker wrote: On May 11, 2006, at 8:42 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: Why not just plain ole hostnames like nanog, www.nanog, mail.nanog For the same reason DNS was created in the first place. You will recall that we actually HAD a hostname file

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Peter Dambier
On 5/11/06, Derek J. Balling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think *that's* why .XXX died, then I have a small bridge to sell you providing access to Manhattan island. Derek, I could use your little bridge for our garden, but I am afraid I cannot pay for it :) Todd Vierling wrote: I'll

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Michael . Dillon
Why have a TLD when for most of the world: www.cnn.CO.UK is forwarded to www.cnn.COM www.microsoft.NET is forwarded to www.microsoft.COM www.google.NET is forwarded to www.google.COM Not all organizations simply FORWARD sites. At different times I have used www.google.com,

BGP Update Report

2006-05-12 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 28-Apr-06 -to- 11-May-06 (14 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS4637 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS855 47228 4.1% 85.6 -- CANET-ASN-4 - Aliant Telecom 2 - AS701529981

The Cidr Report

2006-05-12 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri May 12 21:49:12 2006 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 12-May-2006, at 01:17, Martin Hannigan wrote: At 2:43 PM -0400 05:11:2006, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: the how-to-label problem has been around since the w3c's pics effort. the jurisdictional issue is aterritorial, Negative. 92% of the root is under US jurisdiction How are you

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
earlier i wrote: the how-to-label problem has been around since the w3c's pics effort. the jurisdictional issue is aterritorial, as the cctlds cover that, and the authority, nominally, is a 501(c)(3) in marina del rey, and, purely contractual, as is the registry restricted to cooperative

Re: MISC/EMAIL: AOL Starts to Charge for Receiving eMail, DearAOL responds

2006-05-12 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 5/11/06, william(at)elan.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dewayne Hendricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Note: Posted on the behalf of EFF. DLH] I responded to all that FUD and astroturfing .. http://www.politechbot.com/2006/05/11/debate-over-aol/ --srs

NANOG 37 - Early registration discount ends soon

2006-05-12 Thread Steve Feldman
Just a reminder that the discounted early registration fee of $350 for NANOG 37 ends this Sunday, May 14. After that date, the fee rises to $400. If you haven't already, please register at: https://www.merit.edu/nanog/registration.form.html Also, some new items have been added to the

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Greg Taylor
Aside from all of the technical aspects that would make having a .xxx tld difficult at best, you have to take into account the moral aspects. If all of the adult sites were to switch to the .xxx format, it would make it extremely easy (as if it isn't right now) for minors to locate and

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Steve Gibbard
On Fri, 12 May 2006, Jim Popovitch wrote: Note: I didn't advocate replacing DNS with host files. I'll attempt to clarify: If X number of DNS servers can server Y number of TLDs, why can't X number of completely re-designed DNS servers handle just root domain names without a TLD.

Weekly Routing Table Report

2006-05-12 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 13 May, 2006

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Jim Popovitch
Steve Gibbard wrote: Note that there are a lot more TLDs than just .COM, .NET, .ORG, etc. The vast majority of them are geographical rather than divided based on organizational function. For large portions of the world, the local TLD allows domain holders to get a domain paid for in local

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Peter Dambier
Steve Gibbard wrote: ... Note that there are a lot more TLDs than just .COM, .NET, .ORG, etc. The vast majority of them are geographical rather than divided based on organizational function. For large portions of the world, the local TLD allows domain holders to get a domain paid for in

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Todd Vierling
On 5/12/06, Jim Popovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elimination of TLDs would in no way mandate that people register domains from one global entity. Today we have multiple entities registering domains back to multiple authorities, why not just have one authority and allow for multiple regional

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Doug Barton
Fred Baker wrote: Now, as to ccTLDs vs gTLDs, if anyone wants to eliminate one or the other they get my vote. The political reality is that ccTLDs will never go away. The business reality is that gTLDs (at least the majority of the ones we have now) will never go away. So, can we move on to

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Barry Shein
On May 12, 2006 at 14:51 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Vierling) wrote: The complexity added by TLDs has one extremely critical good side effect: distribution of load by explicitly avoiding a flat entity namespace. The DNS has a hierarchical namespace for a reason, and arguments to the

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Steve Sobol
On Fri, 12 May 2006, Steve Gibbard wrote: price that's locally affordable, with local DNS servers for the TLD. For gTLDs they'd have to pay in US dollars, Maybe. at prices that are set for Americans, Maybe. and have them served far away on the other ends of expensive and flaky

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Robert Bonomi
From: Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:45:46 -0400 Subject: Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain On May 12, 2006 at 14:51 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Vierling) wrote: The complexity added by TLDs has one extremely critical good side effect: distribution of load by

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Todd Vierling
On 5/12/06, Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 12, 2006 at 14:51 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Vierling) wrote: The complexity added by TLDs has one extremely critical good side effect: distribution of load by explicitly avoiding a flat entity namespace. The DNS has a hierarchical

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread John Palmer (NANOG Acct)
What are they talking about? .XXX already exists: %dig ns xxx @g.public-root.com ; DiG 9.3.2 ns xxx @g.public-root.com ; (1 server found) ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 65 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 2,

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Warren Kumari
On May 12, 2006, at 3:26 PM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: What are they talking about? .XXX already exists: No it doesn't, see below: dig ns xxx @g.LookMaICanAlsoSplinterTheNameSpace.com ; DiG 9.2.1 ns xxx @10.24.0.7 ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode:

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Barry Shein
On May 12, 2006 at 16:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Bonomi) wrote: From: Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:45:46 -0400 Subject: Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain On May 12, 2006 at 14:51 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Vierling) wrote: The complexity added

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Barry Shein
On May 12, 2006 at 18:12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Vierling) wrote: On 5/12/06, Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 12, 2006 at 14:51 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Vierling) wrote: The complexity added by TLDs has one extremely critical good side effect: distribution of load by

Why ICANN did the Right Thing [Was: Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx doma in]

2006-05-12 Thread Fergie
Without going into baseless arguments and innuendo, I would suggest that folks ponder the editorial over on OUT-LAW.com which has very thougtful overview of why ICANN did the Right Thing (tm) in this case: http://www.out-law.com/default.aspx?page=6914 I tend to agree with them. Cheers, -

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
... use. Hunt down BU joins the internet, a typo in our initial update tickled a bug in the bsd hosttable program which brought down about 2/3 of the internet (yes, down.) I can't say I'm proud of that, but it's kind of hard to forget. i overflowed the core routers, summer '88. That was good

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread John Palmer (NANOG Acct)
Splintering the namespace is a convenient excuse that ICANN uses to engage in restraint of trade and excessive regulation. ICANN was never given the right to regulate entry into the industry, only to be a technical coordinator. Calling people kooks is a good way to get sued, but it doesn't add

S-BGP Research Survey

2006-05-12 Thread Paul Main
Greetings, We are two graduate students at the University of California at Irvine. My partner and I are conducting a research project on Secure BGP for our Advanced Networks course. In particular, we want to know how willing organizations are to implement Secure BGP. We have created a

Re: Why ICANN did the Right Thing [Was: Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx doma in]

2006-05-12 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
hey ferg, its not that interesting an analysis. struan doesn't really close on any policy issue, and concludes with the usual: I think ICANN was right to reject the current proposal. Because it does little more than add yet another domain to the internet that nobody