RE: key change for TCP-MD5

2006-06-24 Thread Barry Greene (bgreene)
This "RFC1918 for control plane/management plane" technique is vulnerable to a TCP reflection attack. The miscreants know about it. So the assumption that the chance of a RFC 1918 packet reaching your router being "zero" is not something an you should assume. > -Original Message- > From:

RE: key change for TCP-MD5

2006-06-24 Thread Barry Greene (bgreene)
Walk through the code with the current MD5 spec. You need to terminate the TCP session, check the MD5, then do the next checks. That is why we're doing TTL check for GTSM and other classifying/queuing before the TCP session termination. In the big equipment that ranges from specialized ASIC check

RE: key change for TCP-MD5

2006-06-24 Thread Barry Greene (bgreene)
At the same time, you are not going to find the SP core swapping out their equipment for hardware with crypto chips. SPs do not seem to want to pay for this sort of addition. So even new equipment is not getting hardware crypto that can be used. So a BGP IPSEC option has to work with what hardw

RE: key change for TCP-MD5

2006-06-24 Thread Barry Greene (bgreene)
> Why couldn't the network device do an AH check in hardware > before passing the packet to the receive path? If you can > get to a point where all connections or traffic TO the router > should be AH, then, that will help with DOS. There is no push from the operators to look at AH check or t

Re: key change for TCP-MD5

2006-06-24 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 24-jun-2006, at 1:34, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: If you care that much, why don't you just add an extra loopback address, give it an RFC 1918 address, have your peer talk BGP towards that address and filter all packets towards the actual interface address of the router? The chance of a

Re: key change for TCP-MD5

2006-06-24 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 02:51:57AM -0700, Barry Greene (bgreene) wrote: > > At the same time, you are not going to find the SP core swapping out > their equipment for hardware with crypto chips. SPs do not seem to want > to pay for this sort of addition. So even new equipment is not getting > ha