Re: text based netflow top ASN tool?

2006-08-03 Thread Neil J. McRae
Caidas netflow tools? -- Neil J. McRae -- Alive and Kicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: matthew zeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:04:49 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: text based netflow top ASN tool? I recall using a text based netflow collector that w

Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread Barry Shein
I promised myself I'd never, ever post three comments on the same topic here, but hey... What I think would be a good thing would be focusing on ONE miscreant, some low-hanging fruit for starters. Just one. And shut him/her/it down, hound him off the face of the earth, get him arrested, whatever

text based netflow top ASN tool?

2006-08-03 Thread matthew zeier
I recall using a text based netflow collector that would show me top destination ASNs. I recall it being really simple to get working too. But it's been some time since I used it and can't recall what it's called. Can someone give me a hint?

Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread bmanning
useless... perhaps. i'm partly of the mind that botnets, p2p networks, manets, and other self-organizing systems are the "wave" of the future (or even the present) and the technologies, per se, are not inherently "evil" or even bad. imho, it is short sighted to try and curtail,

Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread Mattias Ahnberg
Bora Akyol wrote: > What I am saying is that throwing more technology (boxes, appliances > etc) and more manpower at the problem within the NSP,ISP, and ASP boxes > of the network block diagram is NOT going to solve the problem. I am not > saying, stop what you are doing, all I am saying is that,

Re: Routing issues with cox?

2006-08-03 Thread Alexander McMillen
We are seeing the same issue - does anyone have a Cox NOC contact? -a David Hubbard wrote: Anyone know of something going on with Cox currently? We've had a number of customers report they can't get to us (AS 33260) from Cox (AS 22773). We've tried forcing traffic out different providers of o

Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread Danny McPherson
On Aug 3, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: But shutting them down, that's like the police arresting all the informants. It doesn't stop the crime, it just eradicates all your easy leads. What're folk's thoughts on that? I'm not sure I'd liken shutting C&C infrastructure down to "ar

Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread John Kristoff
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:22:31 -1000 "Scott Weeks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But shutting them down, that's like the police arresting > > all the informants. It doesn't stop the crime, it just > > eradicates all your easy leads. > > What're folk's thoughts on that? Well that's one perspect

Report on "Analysis and Recommendations on the Exhaustion of IPv4 Address Space"

2006-08-03 Thread Izumi Okutani
# Apologies for the duplicates # Dear Colleagues Report on "Analysis and Recommendations on the Exhaustion of IPv4 Address Space" JPNIC has published a report titled "Analysis and Recommendations on the Exhaustion of IPv4 Address Space". The original Japanese version

RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread Bora Akyol
I am not being a discounting the efforts of many people that are on this list and I personally know or worked with. What I am saying is that throwing more technology (boxes, appliances etc) and more manpower at the problem within the NSP,ISP, and ASP boxes of the network block diagram is NOT goin

RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread Fergie
I really didn't intend for this discussion to run down a rat-hole like this, but there it is. If you're going to pass-the-buck on this to (OS flaws) or that (stupid user tricks), then there are bigger problem than I thought. Regardless of existing flaws, user idiosyncracies, etc., we still have

RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread Bora Akyol
I see you are an optimist. As much as I like to build more technology, in this case neither more technology, nor more manpower devoted to service providers and networking is going to fix this problem. There is a real good analogy to this going on in Santa Clara county (SF Bay Area) where West Ni

RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread Fergie
I've got news for you. To impact the miscreant's bottom-line, then it will take: A) Technology, and; B) Manpower It will also take: C) Better cooperative efforts. - ferg -- "Bora Akyol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMHO, This is not a problem we can solve by adding: a) technology (other t

RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread Scott Weeks
- Original Message Follows - From: "Barry Greene (bgreene)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > What? That's what I'm trying to find out, but I'm not > > as smart as most, so I can only point out the things > > that I believe definitely won't work and why I think > > that. Hopefully by the applic

RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread Bora Akyol
IMHO, This is not a problem we can solve by adding: a) technology (other than completely dumping the OS(s) that make this possible) b) manpower I think it can be solved by reducing the margins in the miscreant business line or ideally having it have negative margins. > I would suggest more sp

Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread Fergie
-- Danny McPherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [good stuff elided] >I agree that the root of the problem is the miscreants perpetrating >these crimes, and they need to be prosecuted, but the responsibility >falls far wider than the SPs. > >I also accept the references provided by Paul and others,

Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

2006-08-03 Thread Danny McPherson
On Jul 30, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Gadi Evron wrote: The few hundred *new* IRC-based C&Cs a month (and change), have been around and static (somewhat) for a while now. At a steady rate of change which maintains the status quo, plus a bit of new blood. In this post I ask the community about wha

Re: Detecting parked domains

2006-08-03 Thread Peter Dambier
No, it does not look good :) ; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> -t any eoileon.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 47446 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;eoileon.com. I

Routing issues with cox?

2006-08-03 Thread David Hubbard
Anyone know of something going on with Cox currently? We've had a number of customers report they can't get to us (AS 33260) from Cox (AS 22773). We've tried forcing traffic out different providers of ours and it usually seems to die with Level 3 in DFW, Time Warner Telecom in DFW, Cogent in Atla

Re: PIPE CLEANERS... was: APC Matrix 5000 question(s)

2006-08-03 Thread Mike Lyon
I need a Spam Pig... -Mike On 8/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: pipecleaners? http://www.ppsa-online.com/about-pigs.php#UTILITY%20PIGS do they make one for Internet Pipes? --bill On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 05:59:29PM -0700, joe mcguckin wrote: > Can't you guys take this

Re: Detecting parked domains

2006-08-03 Thread Duane Wessels
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Joe Abley said: Do you have an example of a parked domain with no SOA record? eoileon.com tri-cityhearald.com Surely for that to work for most of the domains we're talking about, the parking companies would need to be able to insert arbitrary records into zones such as

RE: OT: Good list for VoIP

2006-08-03 Thread Frank Bulk
The isp-voip list is pretty quiet, and probably not the caliber you're looking for. Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Netfortius Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:41 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: OT: Good list for VoIP I've h

Re: Detecting parked domains

2006-08-03 Thread David Ulevitch
On Aug 2, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: There seems to be DNSBL's for every other thing, I was expecting to find one for parked domain names or the server IP addresses used. That's not hard. It's the value of providing it I question. It only encourages them to start putting syn

DNS BIND dispatch errors

2006-08-03 Thread Simon Waters
The increase in dispatch errors reported by BIND recently is explained by the other ISC here; http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=1538 So it looks like the error message was right, although some older versions of BIND didn't do a good job of reporting the IP addresses involved. My own exper

Re: Detecting parked domains

2006-08-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 3-Aug-2006, at 04:05, Duane Wessels wrote: I am looking for a way that you, or anyone else, could indicate a domain should not be considered "in service" although the name is registered and has an A record pointing to an active server so when I check that name it doesn't require a hum

Re: Detecting parked domains

2006-08-03 Thread Peter Dambier
Duane Wessels wrote: I am looking for a way that you, or anyone else, could indicate a domain should not be considered "in service" although the name is registered and has an A record pointing to an active server so when I check that name it doesn't require a human to interpret the results.

RE: Good list for VoIP

2006-08-03 Thread John Stuppi (jstuppi)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mike, You can try voipsec@voipsa.org: To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://voipsa.org/mailman/listinfo/voipsec_voipsa.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You ca

Re: OT: Good list for VoIP

2006-08-03 Thread Netfortius
I've had some decent success with other lists from this site: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/about/ so you may want to try their VoIP one. I cannot personally endorse that specific one, though, as I am not a subscriber. Stefan On Thursday 03 August 2006 07:20, Mike Callahan wrote: > Sorry fo

OT: Good list for VoIP

2006-08-03 Thread Mike Callahan
Sorry for the OT post but I'm wondering if anyone can recommend a good list for ISP level VoIP discussion. On that's focus is on technical issues would be preferred. Thanks, M. Callahan

Re: Detecting parked domains

2006-08-03 Thread Duane Wessels
I am looking for a way that you, or anyone else, could indicate a domain should not be considered "in service" although the name is registered and has an A record pointing to an active server so when I check that name it doesn't require a human to interpret the results. You might be able to us