Re: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy?

Richard A Steenbergen wrote: Try looking at it from an outsider's point of view instead. If you're new to dealing with ARIN, it is not uncommon to find the process is absolutely baffling, frustrating, slow, expensive, and requiring intrusive disclosure just shy of an anal cavity probe. I r

Re: kW Per Rack.

At 4:20 PM -0700 9/13/06, Robert Sherrard wrote: >How many of you are currently cooling 7kW+ per cabinet.. are any of you >cooling more than 15kW per rack, if so how large is your footprint? Are any of >you using water cool racks, by tapping into house water? We're doing >7kW per cabinet via fo

kW Per Rack.

How many of you are currently cooling 7kW+ per cabinet.. are any of you cooling more than 15kW per rack, if so how large is your footprint? Are any of you using water cool racks, by tapping into house water? Rob

Re: IPv6 PI block is announced - update your filters 2620:0000::/23

Thus spake "Jeroen Massar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8<- IPv6 Assignment Blocks CIDR Block 2620::/23 ->8 Expect blocks in between /40 and /48 there. Expect mostly /48s and /44s, given that ARIN has not defined any

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

Thus spake "Johnny Eriksson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" wrote: If we were still calling central and asking "Hi Mabel, can you put me through to Doc," no one would give a rat's ass about phone number portability. Notice that no one is getting worked up about circuit number portabil

Re: [routing-wg]BGP Update Report

Vince Fuller writes: > On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 12:32:57PM +0200, Oliver Bartels wrote: >> Ceterum censeo: Nevertheless this moving-clients application shows >> some demand for a true-location-independend IP-addresses >> announcement feature (provider independend "roaming") in IPv6, as >> in v4 (ev

IPv6 PI block is announced - update your filters 2620:0000::/23

It's update your IPv6 filters time: http://www.arin.net/reference/ip_blocks.html 8<- IPv6 Assignment Blocks CIDR Block 2620::/23 ->8 Expect blocks in between /40 and /48 there. That is enough space for best-c

Re: [routing-wg]BGP Update Report

Marshall Eubanks writes: > In a typical flight Europe / China I believe that there would be > order 10-15 satellite transponder / ground station changes. The > satellite footprints count for more that the geography. What I remember from the Connexion presentations is that they used only four grou

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, Johnny Eriksson wrote: "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" wrote: If we were still calling central and asking "Hi Mabel, can you put me through to Doc," no one would give a rat's ass about phone number portability. Notice that no one is getting worked up about circuit number portability.

Re: Kremen's Buddy?

- Original Message Follows - From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 08:46:11PM -0400, > Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > to dissect a core dump, or how BGP works, but who at the > > same time are not interested in reading the ARIN policy > manual

Re: renumbering & IPv6

On Sep 13, 2006, at 1:27 PM, David Barak wrote: Perhaps a customer who wanted to make IP addresses "portable" would pay a fee to the ISP whose addresses they are, and maintain redirection equipment to the "real" IPs... And perhaps the price of doing so would actually be higher than just keepi

Re: renumbering & IPv6

David Barak wrote: 2) many/most medium-large enterprises neither qualify for PI addressing nor would be able to multihome using PA addressing. Issue #2 is being worked on now, but until a policy is securely in place, an enterprise adopting IPv6 is giving up capabilities they have today with IPv

ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy?

I've heard the horror stories, and I remember that ARIN was difficult to deal with 10 years ago, but my recent experiences with them have been relatively painless. I expected the process to get worse as IPs become more scarce, but I haven't been seeing that. AFAICT they are more helpful and ea

ARIN to allocate from 2620:0000:/23

Hello- This announcement is being sent to multiple lists. Apologies for any duplicates. ARIN was issued the IPv6 address block 2620::/23 by the IANA on Sept. 12, 2006. ARIN will be making assignments of /48 and shorter from this block immediately in accordance with ARIN's recently implem

Senate Hearings on ICANN

I only post this becuase of the ongoing thread re: Kremin v. ARIN. The Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation Subcommittee on Trade, Tourism, and Economic Development has announced a hearing on Internet Governance: The Future of ICANN. Wednesday, September 20th at 10:00 a.m.

Re: Kremen's Buddy?

On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 08:46:11PM -0400, Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 45 lines which said: > It's confusing to me that there appears to be no shortage of people > who are prepared to learn the three hundred ways of doing the same > thing with perl, or how to dissect a core

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Clay Fiske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Some people may know your phone number off the top of their heads, but most will have to look it up. They will look mine up by reading my business card, reading my adverts, calling up my web page (OK, they are just an onli

renumbering & IPv6

--- David Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been told on numerous occasions that one of > the reasons IPv6 > has not seen significant deployment is because > enterprises do not > want to obtain their address space from their > service provider due to > (among other reasons) the c

Re: Watch your replies (was Kremen....)

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's insulting when you trim the message to a shorter statement that you are responding to. The other 18 lines may not have been important to this particular response but they were not content free. If your content was in any way, interesting, th

allocations from ARIN was Re: Kremen's Buddy?

- Original Message Follows - From: Richard A Steenbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ever notice the only folks happy with the status quo are > the few who have already have an intimate knowledge of > the ARIN allocation process, and/or have the right > political connections to resolve the "i

Re: Watch your replies (was Kremen....)

Le 2006-09-13 à 15:59, Andrew Kirch a écrit : I might just to watch the hilarity. Is there any real interest in this? MediaWiki with restricted editing for people on the NANOG list. At the risk of repeating myself, . This is a NANOG wiki with somewhat restrict

Re: ip reclamation was Re: Kremen's Buddy?

- Original Message Follows - From: "william(at)elan.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> The fact that there is a lot of space > assigned/allocated >> and not used in any easily > observable way is well known >> to those who track the > address exhaustion issue, I >> think. > > How much, th

Cisco IOS VTP issues (fwd)

-- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:18:41 +0200 From: FX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com, full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco IOS VTP issues Phenoelit Advisory [ Title ] Cisco Systems IOS VTP multiple

RE: Watch your replies (was Kremen....)

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Frank Coluccio > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:48 PM > To: nanog@merit.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Watch your replies (was Kremen) > > > Perhaps the list should be turned into

Re: Watch your replies (was Kremen....)

Le 2006-09-13 à 15:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : P.S. are the standards of this list so unclear that Darcy and I have to discuss this? Who is right? http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/Posting_Style_Conventions Joe

Re: Watch your replies (was Kremen....)

Perhaps the list should be turned into a wiki; and no, while I'd like to, I'm not at this time volunteering to admin ;) Frank A. Coluccio DTI Consulting Inc. 212-587-8150 Office 347-526-6788 Mobile On Wed Sep 13 15:43 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: > >> It's insulting >> when you trim the message t

Watch your replies (was Kremen....)

> It's insulting > when you trim the message to a shorter statement that you are > responding to. The other 18 lines may not have been important to this > particular response but they were not content free. If your content was in any way, interesting, then people will have read it in the message

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

Johnny Eriksson wrote: "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" wrote: If we were still calling central and asking "Hi Mabel, can you put me through to Doc," no one would give a rat's ass about phone number portability. Notice that no one is getting worked up about circuit number portability. ... or street n

RE: Bandwidth accounting recommendation?

Hello, > Hi, I have been scouring the net searching for a good bandwidth >accounting solution that would be appropriate for a hosting >provider/carrier. We are more interested in the total amount of >bandwidth the user has utilized in a 7/30/90/365 (whatever) day period >of time than a Mbps

Bandwidth accounting recommendation?

Hi, I have been scouring the net searching for a good bandwidth accounting solution that would be appropriate for a hosting provider/carrier. We are more interested in the total amount of bandwidth the user has utilized in a 7/30/90/365 (whatever) day period of time than a Mbps 'graph' whi

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

"D'Arcy J.M. Cain" wrote: > If we were still calling central and asking "Hi Mabel, can you put me > through to Doc," no one would give a rat's ass about phone number > portability. Notice that no one is getting worked up about circuit > number portability. ... or street number portability. Th

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:38:49 -0700 Clay Fiske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 12:17:59PM -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: > > > > I reiterate, no one knows me by my IP address. The software (DNS) they > > use may and some people may need to make a change but the world in > > g

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

I'm sure the same argument was used for telephone numbers when technical folk were arguing against number portability. Oh come on. Where are we going? You know perfectly well that phone numbers are not the same as IP. Yes. I was making an analogy about what I suspect the technical argu

Re: Kremen's Buddy?

Michael [mumble] spewed: > >ARIN does have a way of figuring out that the space >is no longer in use. No, they don't. ARIN has problems around v4 allocation that need to be fixed for sure. I fit ras's mold of a person who is part of the machine and (I'll take a STEAK dinner ras, thank you) I

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 12:17:59PM -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: > > I reiterate, no one knows me by my IP address. The software (DNS) they > use may and some people may need to make a change but the world in > general does not need to know that. That's the whole point of DNS. Let me adjust t

Fwd: Blogger post failed

Apologies to the list, but,  I have no other way to contact the person who thought thiswas a good idea...Could whoever thought it was a good idea to gateway NANOG messages to a bloggerplease fix their blogger gateway or turn it off.OwenBegin forwarded message:From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: September

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:53:04 +0200 Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 11:43:36AM -0400, > D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote > a message of 20 lines which said: > > > No one knows me by my IP address. They know me by my email > > address(es). Huh? Are you trying t

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

Le 2006-09-13 à 11:43, D'Arcy J.M. Cain a écrit : Notice that no one is getting worked up about circuit number portability. I don't know about that. I have always harboured a desire to visit ZOWISAP0001 in person. I hear Zoowie Island is quite lovely at this time of year. This is not a

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

On Sep 13, 2006, at 8:43 AM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:37:05 -0700 David Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm sure the same argument was used for telephone numbers when technical folk were arguing against number portability. Oh come on. You know perfectly well that ph

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 11:43:36AM -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote a message of 20 lines which said: > No one knows me by my IP address. They know me by my email > address(es). It does not seem true. IP addresses are visible outside in: * DNS servers when you get a zone delegation (the most

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:37:05 -0700 David Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sure the same argument was used for telephone numbers when > technical folk were arguing against number portability. Oh come on. You know perfectly well that phone numbers are not the same as IP. No one knows me

Re: Qwest event 70 min ago?

On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 08:07:57PM -0600, Charlie Watts wrote: > Did anybody see a Qwest "event" ~70 minutes ago? > > I'm not a direct customer so they won't talk to me, but we lost > connectivity to a number of Qwest-connected sites for about 12 minutes. > > The data is falling off of the 1hr

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

David Conrad wrote: I'm sure the same argument was used for telephone numbers when technical folk were arguing against number portability. Number portability is a different can of worms, and many telephone companies pushed for it. However, telephone numbers have been assigned in large block

Re: Kremen's Buddy?

Richard A Steenbergen wrote: Ever notice the only folks happy with the status quo are the few who have already have an intimate knowledge of the ARIN allocation process, and/or have the right political connections to resolve the "issues" that come up when dealing with them? Try looking at it

Re: Qwest event 70 min ago?

We received the same report direct from Qwest last night.. they did have a major fiber cut in OK. We recieved word of resolution shortly after 2am CST. Charlie Watts wrote: On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Charlie Watts wrote: Did anybody see a Qwest "event" ~70 minutes ago? A Qwest customer go

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

On Sep 12, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Fred Baker wrote: IP Addresses have always been treated as a resource of the network since its inception. The fact that lawmakers don't understand or care to understand doesn't change the facts of the case. I'm sure the same argument was used for telephone numbe

Re: Commodity (was RE: [Fwd: Kremen ...])

On Sep 13, 2006, at 1:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since IP addresses are tightly tied to the network architecture, how can they ever be liquid? How are PI addresses tightly tied to network architecture? What percentage of the total IPv4 address space is PI? Good question. Perhaps someon

Re: Kremen's Buddy?

> Ever notice the only folks happy with the status quo are the few who have > already have an intimate knowledge of the ARIN allocation process, and/or > have the right political connections to resolve the "issues" that come up > when dealing with them? In this case, the "right political co

RE: Kremen's Buddy?

> "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" could > be replaced with "From each according to the ARIN fee schedule, to each > according to our impossible to decipher allocation templates". Marx would be > proud! Centrally managed economic systems seem so wonderful on

Re: Kremen's Buddy?

> The fact that there is a lot of space assigned/allocated and not used > in any easily observable way is well known to those who track the > address exhaustion issue, I think. The fact that addresses are not used in an observable way does not imply that the addresses are not used at all. It si

RE: Kremen's Buddy?

> It seems to me that this nicely illustrates a major problem with the > current system. Here we have large blocks of IP space that, by their > own rules, ARIN should take back. It all sounds nice on paper, but > clearly there is a hole in the system whereby ARIN doesn't know and > apparently ha

Re: Commodity (was RE: [Fwd: Kremen ...])

> Erm, Uranium *is* a commodity. Last week's spot price was > $52 a pound for U3O8. It's a small market in terms of numbers > of players but it's still an open market in the economic sense. > 102 million pounds were traded in 2004. Hedge funds are players > in the uranium market (source: www.uxc.c

Re: Commodity (was RE: [Fwd: Kremen ...])

> > Since IP addresses are tightly tied to the network > > architecture, how can they ever be liquid? > > How are PI addresses tightly tied to network architecture? What percentage of the total IPv4 address space is PI? If non-PI addresses are not property then how do PI addresses gain that attr