Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Brandon Butterworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Don't give people an excuse to deagg their /32 RIPE may only give out /32's but ARIN gives out /48's so there wouldn't be any deaggregation in that case. That's not what I said. If /48 are accepted by * then people with a /32 or whatev

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Randy Bush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> small site. so public servers provide multiple and diverse services. if a hostname has a v6 address, then all services must be v6 capable because clients do not retry the A record. This seems to argue for having "service" hostnames, which has been

Re: Microsoft and Teredo

2007-05-31 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Adrian Chadd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thu, May 31, 2007, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: In windows, you have IPv6 firewall, so even if Teredo traverses the "IPv4 security", there is still something there. A good description of all this is available at: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Donald Stahl
The upside is that in the block you're expected to accept /48s, nobody will have a /32. The downside is that anyone who gets a larger-than-minimum sized allocation/assignment can deaggregate down to that level. I don't think ARIN is planning on giving out more less a /48 but more than a /32-

Re: Which ISPs Are Spying on You?

2007-05-31 Thread Sean Donelan
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Hank Nussbacher wrote: http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/05/isp_privacy Pretty useless reporting, especially since the reporter apparently didn't even do even a little Google research to discover which ISP's (not the ones he queried) were "partners" wi

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 31, 2007, at 8:03 AM, Donald Stahl wrote: The upside is that in the block you're expected to accept /48s, nobody will have a /32. The downside is that anyone who gets a larger-than-minimum sized allocation/assignment can deaggregate down to that level. I don't think ARIN is plann

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Donald Stahl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The upside is that in the block you're expected to accept /48s, nobody will have a /32. The downside is that anyone who gets a larger-than-minimum sized allocation/assignment can deaggregate down to that level. I don't think ARIN is planning on gi

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Donald Stahl
I don't think ARIN is planning on giving out more less a /48 but more than a /32- at least that was the impression I got. End sites get a /48- ISP's get a /32 or larger- and that's it (I could certainly be wrong). As such, deaggragation in the /48 block should not be an issue because no one wi

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Donald Stahl
Current policy allows for greater-than-/48 PI assignments if the org can justify it. However, since we haven't told staff (via policy) what that justification should look like, they are currently approving all requests and several orgs have taken advantage of that. I can't imagine what an end

IPv6 Training?

2007-05-31 Thread Alex Rubenstein
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training. Any clues? Thanks.. -- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, [EMAIL PROTECTED], latency, Al Reuben Net Access Corporation, 800-NET

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Jeff Kell
Donald Stahl wrote: > As for the deaggregation- anyone deaggregating a /40 into 256 routes > should have there AS permanently blackholed :) I think you omitted an "S" there, Donald :-) Jeff

Re: IPv6 Training?

2007-05-31 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Alex Rubenstein wrote: Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training. Internet2 people have been running workshops on multicast and IPv6 separate

RE: IPv6 Training?

2007-05-31 Thread Scott Morris
There are a few books out there that will give mention of IPv6 configurations, but most are vendor-specific as far as I have seen. Cisco and Juniper both have at least modules (if not full courses) on IPv6. Each is obviously not vendor-agnostic. Something could always be customized to cover what

Re: IPv6 Training?

2007-05-31 Thread Quinn Kuzmich
I got a pretty good look at it (at least it seemed like it to me) back when I got my CCNP. The Cisco books are pretty good. On 5/31/07, Scott Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are a few books out there that will give mention of IPv6 configurations, but most are vendor-specific as far as

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 31-mei-2007, at 15:45, Stephen Sprunk wrote: The general rule, for both v4 and v6, is that people should filter on whatever the minimum allocation/assignment size for each RIR block. Did someone take the trouble to tell RIPE that? 193/8 /29 194/7 /29 That allows for 6291456 pref

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Donald Stahl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Current policy allows for greater-than-/48 PI assignments if the org can justify it. However, since we haven't told staff (via policy) what that justification should look like, they are currently approving all requests and several orgs have taken ad

Re: IPv6 Training?

2007-05-31 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 31-mei-2007, at 18:32, Alex Rubenstein wrote: Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training. You'll want to be more specific: IPv6 impacts a lot of stuff, and few

RE: Microsoft and Teredo

2007-05-31 Thread michael.dillon
> In perfect time, this was published yesterday, to answer that very > question: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hoagland-v6ops- > teredosecconcerns-00.txt Unfortunately, he doesn't say much in the way of solutions. For instance, if a company has internal IPv6 connectivity to their IS

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Donald Stahl
First of all, there's disagreement about the definition of "site", and some folks hold the opinion that means physical location. Thus, if you have 100 sites, those folks would claim you have justified 100 /48s (or one /41). Other folks, like me, disagree with that, but there are orgs out ther

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Jeroen Massar
Stephen Sprunk wrote: > > Thus spake "Donald Stahl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Current policy allows for greater-than-/48 PI assignments if the >>> org can justify it. However, since we haven't told staff (via >>> policy) what that justification should look like, they are currently >>> approving all

Operators: the IETF's Dark Gods

2007-05-31 Thread David W. Hankins
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 05:34:44PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote: > about to run out of ip space. a half-assed design was released. the > press stopped screaming. victory was declared, everyone went home. Actually, they didn't go home. Victory, "they" think, is never having to go home (but IETF Dall

Re: IPv6 Training?

2007-05-31 Thread Lucy Lynch
On Thu, 31 May 2007, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2007, Alex Rubenstein wrote: Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training. Internet2 people h

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Stephen Sprunk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Someone recently posted a link (either on PPML or here -- I can't find it now) that showed ARIN's minima for the various v4 and v6 blocks. The v4 ones were all over the map, but there are relatively few v6 blocks and all of them are /32 except f

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:40:42 BST, Jeroen Massar said: > When you have a large company, the company is also split over several > administrative sites, in some cases you might have a single > administrative group covering several sites though, this allows you to > provide them with a single /48 as t

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Jeroen Massar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:40:42 BST, Jeroen Massar said: > >> When you have a large company, the company is also split over several >> administrative sites, in some cases you might have a single >> administrative group covering several sites though, this allows you to >> pr

RE: IPv6 Training?

2007-05-31 Thread Tony Hain
You can also try Command Information [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Sunset Learning https://www.coursemax.com/sunset/CourseSchedule.aspx?CourseID=355ef422-32d3- 4379-a950-2087f6b13bcc > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Lucy Lynch > Sent: Thu

Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-31 Thread Larry J. Blunk
Chris L. Morrow wrote: On Tue, 29 May 2007, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: # traceroute6 www.nanog.org traceroute6: hostname nor servname provided, or not known That would be a start... It took years to get the IETF to eat its own dog food, though. i suspect the merit/nanog folks invol

Re: IPv6 Training?

2007-05-31 Thread Nathan Ward
On 1/06/2007, at 4:32 AM, Alex Rubenstein wrote: Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training. Any clues? If you want books, http://safari.oreilly.com/. My collea

Re: dual-stack

2007-05-31 Thread simon
Donald Stahl writes: >> I guess we have different definitions for "most significant >> backbones". Unless you mean they have a dual-stack router running >> _somewhere_, say, for instance, at a single IX or a lab LAN or >> something. Which is not particularly useful if we are talking about >> a "s

Re: IPv6 Training?

2007-05-31 Thread simon
Alex Rubenstein writes: > Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or > self-guided)? If your router vendor supports IPv6 (surprisingly, many do!): lab-router#conf t Enter configuration commands, one per line. End with CNTL/Z. lab-router(config)#ipv6 ? access-list

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-31 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Jeroen Massar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stephen Sprunk wrote: First of all, there's disagreement about the definition of "site", The general definition of a site that I find appropriate is and works pretty well as a rule of thumb: "A site is defined by it having a single administrativ