Re: it was damp in belleview

2007-06-24 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2007-06-23 08:22 -1000), Randy Bush wrote: > for those wishing historical perspective on route flap damping, document > ripe-378 (may 2006) says > i.e., it's time to turn it off. you are damaging your customers and > others' customers. I've always thought that damping as an idea is a goo

Re: TransAtlantic Cable Break

2007-06-24 Thread Simon Leinen
Leo Bicknell writes: > However, if you put 15G down your "20G" path, you have no > redundancy. In a cut, dropping 5G on the floor, causing 33% packet > loss is not "up", it might as well be down. Sorry, it doesn't work like that either. 33% packet loss is an upper limit, but not what you'd see

Re: TransAtlantic Cable Break

2007-06-24 Thread Robert Blayzor
Sean Donelan wrote: > Is paying for "protected circuits" actually worth it. Or are you better > off just buying two circuits and using both during normal conditions. > Use switching at layer 3 to the remaining circuit during abnormal > conditions. Most of the time, you get twice the capacity for

Re: TransAtlantic Cable Break

2007-06-24 Thread Robert Blayzor
Leo Bicknell wrote: > Sorry, it doesn't work like that. I do happen to believe rather > than get a single SONET/WDM protected 10G Wave you are better off > getting two unprotected 10G waves and plugging them into your > devices, and let layer 3 routing take over. It generally saves a > good bit

Re: TransAtlantic Cable Break

2007-06-24 Thread Chris L. Morrow
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007, Robert Blayzor wrote: > > > However, if you put 15G down your "20G" path, you have no redundancy. > > In a cut, dropping 5G on the floor, causing 33% packet loss is not > > "up", it might as well be down. > > I don't know if that's always true. Case in point 802.17. It run

Re: TransAtlantic Cable Break

2007-06-24 Thread Robert Blayzor
Chris L. Morrow wrote: > Then there's the interesting: "How do you classify 'to be dropped' > traffic?" Simon suggests nntp or BitTorrent could be put into a lower > class queue, I'm curious as to how you'd classify traffic which is > port-agile such as BitTorrent though. In theory that sounds lik

Re: TransAtlantic Cable Break

2007-06-24 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 24-jun-2007, at 14:32, Robert Blayzor wrote: I do happen to believe rather than get a single SONET/WDM protected 10G Wave you are better off getting two unprotected 10G waves and plugging them into your devices, and let layer 3 routing take over. That really depends. Two unprotected circ

OT: Moment of silence for Rod Beck

2007-06-24 Thread Paul Reubens
I think we should now wind up the discussion on transoceanic bandwidth and extend our thoughts and prayers to the family in this time of need. From CNN: Beck was discovered by police officers responding to a call to his home in suburban Phoenix, police department spokesman Andy Hill said Sund

Re: TransAtlantic Cable Break

2007-06-24 Thread Chris L. Morrow
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007, Robert Blayzor wrote: > > Chris L. Morrow wrote: > > Then there's the interesting: "How do you classify 'to be dropped' > > traffic?" Simon suggests nntp or BitTorrent could be put into a lower > > class queue, I'm curious as to how you'd classify traffic which is > > port-

Vietnam arrests alledged fiber-optic cable thieves

2007-06-24 Thread Sean Donelan
http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=29347 Police arrested two more people Saturday for stealing undersea fiber-optic cables off the southern coast of Vietnam, including the group.s suspected leader. Ten have been apprehended in the case so far. [...] Eleven kilometers of th

Re: OT: Moment of silence for Rod Beck

2007-06-24 Thread Roderick S. Beck
But Paul, I live in Paris and I detect no signs of rigor mortis as I write this email. However, if you still have not figured out which cable is severed across the Atlantic, check the Global Crossing latency, may be that will give you a clue ... Cordialement, Roderick. > > I think we should no