Client information?

2007-08-09 Thread Paul Atkins
Hello, I am a network researcher. One question I want to ask the ISPs here are that if they have a choice of finding more information about the hosts that connect to them, is it something they will like to spend money on? For example if the ISP can find out what applications is the host running et

Re: Content Delivery Networks

2007-08-09 Thread Paul Reubens
How do you engineer around enterprise and ISP recursors that don't honor TTL, instead caching DNS records for a week or more? On 8/7/07, Patrick W.Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:05 AM, Michal Krsek wrote: > > >>> 5) User redirection > >>> - You have to implement a

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Andrews
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: > > I suspect that the origin of the myth that DNS/TCP is more > dangerous than DNS/UDP is that the first root expliot of > named was over TCP not UDP. There were later exploits that > were UDP only which totally busted the myth bu

Re: Industry best practices (was Re: large organization nameservers

2007-08-09 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Barton) writes: > ... I took this a step further and worked (together with others) on a > patch to restrict the size of DNS answers to < 512 by returning a random > selection of any RR set larger than that. note that this sounds like a DNS protocol violation, and usually

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Andrews
I suspect that the origin of the myth that DNS/TCP is more dangerous than DNS/UDP is that the first root expliot of named was over TCP not UDP. There were later exploits that were UDP only which totally busted the myth but it continues to live. Mar

Re: Redistribute routes from EIGRP into BGP VRF

2007-08-09 Thread Bruce Pinsky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bailey Stephen wrote: > Hello all, > > > > Currently working on a solution at the moment where I receive specific > /25 routes via a leased line into the global routing table via EIGRP on > a Cisco 2801. > > > > I then need to inject these rou

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-09 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > ... advising folks to monitor their authority servers to find out how > > many truncated responses are going out and how many TCP sessions result > > from these truncations and how many of these TCP sessions are killed by > > the RFC1035 4.2.2 connection management l

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-09 Thread Doug Barton
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Drew Weaver wrote: Is it a fairly normal practice for large companies such as Yahoo! And Mozilla to send icmp/ping packets to DNS servers? If so, why? And a related question would be from a service provider standpoint is there any reason to deny ICMP/PING packets to

Re: too many variables

2007-08-09 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 09:08:05PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 02:56:31PM -0400, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 9, 2007, at 12:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > so putting a stake in the ground, BGP will stop working @ around > > > 2,50

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:05:26 -, Paul Vixie said: > i think you're advising folks to monitor their authority servers to find out > how many truncated responses are going out and how many TCP sessions result > from these truncations and how many of these TCP sessions are killed by the > RFC1035

Re: too many variables

2007-08-09 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 02:56:31PM -0400, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: > > > On Aug 9, 2007, at 12:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > so putting a stake in the ground, BGP will stop working @ around > > 2,500,000 routes - can't converge... regardless of IPv4 or IPv6. > > unless the

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-09 Thread Paul Vixie
> > the resources given a nameserver to TCP connections are tightly > > controlled, as described in RFC 1035 4.2.2. so while TCP/53 can become > > unreliable during high load, the problems will be felt by initiators not > > targets. > > The relevant entry in Section 1035 4.2.2 recommends that th

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-09 Thread Douglas Otis
On Aug 8, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: ... but a TCP connection will consume a significant amount of a name server's resources. ...wrong. Wanting to understand this comment, ... the resources given a nameserver to TCP connections are tightly controlled, as described in RFC 103