Re: [funsec] The Great IPv6 experiment (fwd)

2007-09-05 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Deepak Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crap. Now people are going to start asking if the ipv6 platform does ipv6 forwarding in hardware or software. :| We'll all have to answer hardware of course, since admitting we forward the Experiment's traffic in software would be rather embarassing,

Re: [funsec] The Great IPv6 experiment (fwd)

2007-09-05 Thread Jeroen Massar
Stephen Sprunk wrote: [..] P.S. I'm writing this from behind a monopoly ISP who deliberately blocks all proto 41 traffic, and thus 6to4, so I have no idea what content, if any, the Experiment is actually providing... Anyone want to give me a Teredo relay for research purposes? :) As the

Re: [funsec] The Great IPv6 experiment (fwd)

2007-09-05 Thread Kevin Day
On Sep 5, 2007, at 4:07 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote: As the site (http://www.ipv6porn.com) states: 8-- If you're here for the free content, it's not here! We're not ready for the world to know about this experiment yet, so don't go submitting this to

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-05 Thread Mark Smith
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 04:19:32 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 09:37:46PM -0400, John Curran wrote: At 9:21 PM -0400 9/3/07, Joe Abley wrote: Is there a groundswell of *operators* who think TCP should be replaced, and believe it can be replaced? Just

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On Monday 03 September 2007, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: More seriously -- the question is whether new services will cause operator congestion problems that today's mechanisms don't handle. It's also possible, per the note that some solutions will have operator implications, such as new tuning

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-05 Thread Stephen Stuart
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Stephen Stuart wrote: Operators are probably more interested in the fairness part of congestion than the efficiency part of congestion. TCP's idea of fairness is a bit weird. Shouldn't it be per-user, not per-flow? How would you define user in that context?

Re: shameful-cabling gallery of infamy - does anybody know where it went?

2007-09-05 Thread Chad Oleary
http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/03/really-bad-wiring-jobs_20.html On 9/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://gallery.colofinder.net/shameful-cabling had a great collection of What not to do photos, but it has apparently evaporated in the mists of time. Anybody know if

Re: shameful-cabling gallery of infamy - does anybody know where it went?

2007-09-05 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/03/really-bad-wiring-jobs_20.html My contribution: http://www.tux.org/wb8foz/66-666/ Note this was the closet at a group on the Hill that lobbies against the evils of regulation. In 25-30

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-05 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Stephen Stuart wrote: Operators always define the user as the person paying the bill. One bill, one user. It's easy to imagine a context where authentication at the application layer determines user in a bill-paying context. Passing that information into the OS, and

Re: shameful-cabling gallery of infamy - does anybody know where it went?

2007-09-05 Thread Lucy Lynch
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, David Lesher wrote: Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/03/really-bad-wiring-jobs_20.html My contribution: http://www.tux.org/wb8foz/66-666/ Note this was the closet at a group on the Hill that lobbies

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-05 Thread Fred Baker
On Sep 5, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: That's the issue with per-flow sharing, 10 institutions may be sharing a cost equally but if one student in one department at one institution generates 95% of the flows should he be able to consume 95% of the capacity? The big problem

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-05 Thread Stephen Stuart
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Stephen Stuart wrote: Operators always define the user as the person paying the bill. One bill, one user. It's easy to imagine a context where authentication at the application layer determines user in a bill-paying context. Passing that information into the OS,

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-05 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Stephen Stuart wrote: That depends on the expectations of the institutions. If our example student is able to generate 95% of flows because the network in question is otherwise relatively quiet (maybe it's the middle of the night, or a holiday), then yes, our example student

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-05 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Fred Baker wrote: capacity. My ISP in front of my home does that; they configure my cable modem to shape my traffic up and down to not exceed certain rates, and lo and Well, in case you're being DDoS:ed at 1 gigabit/s, you'll use more resources in the backbone than most,