Re: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?

2007-09-16 Thread Martin Hannigan
On 9/15/07, Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15-sep-2007, at 21:25, Barrett Lyon wrote: The other thought that occurred to me, does FF/Safari/IE have any ability to default back to v4 if v6 is not working or behaving badly? This could be a helpful transition feature but

Re: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?

2007-09-16 Thread Martin Hannigan
On 9/15/07, Barrett Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you do the naming? Matching or unique? Matched , I was thinking about doing a w6 or something more unique for now, but that somewhat defeats the point. I tried to do it in a round robin record based on the described

Re: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?

2007-09-16 Thread Andy Davidson
On 16 Sep 2007, at 07:39, Martin Hannigan wrote: On 9/15/07, Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Browsers are pretty good at falling back on a different address in general / IPv4 in particular when the initial try doesn't work, Pretty good as in there is a browser standard to poke

How do applications handle IPv6 and IPv4 dual-stacked (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-16 Thread Jeroen Massar
[as this has nothing to do with Apple Airports in particular I changed the subject again] Martin Hannigan wrote: Should be an operation defined by gethostbyname() no? and in another: Pretty good as in there is a browser standard to poke for v6 then v4 or is this a stack behavior? No, it is

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-16 Thread Nathan Ward
On 16/09/2007, at 8:03 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote: - IPv6 native (anything not 2002::/16 + 2003::/32) - IPv4 native - IPv6 6to4 (2002::/16) - IPv6 Teredo (2003::/32 Incase anyone is using this for reference purposes, Jaroen really means 2001::/32, not 2003::/32. Teredo was also previously on

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-16 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 16-sep-2007, at 15:17, Nathan Ward wrote: 6to4 uses protocol 41 over IP. This doesn't go through NAT Those statements are both true, but they're unrelated. If your NAT box knows there is more to IP than TCP and UDP, it's possible that you can do IPv6-in-IP tunneling in general

Re: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?

2007-09-16 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 16-sep-2007, at 10:46, Andy Davidson wrote: Since this conversation has already talked about behaviour when encountering vs A, I am worried that a browser running on a dual-stack laptop might cache the returned when it has some v6 connectivity, and then refuse to look again

Re: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?

2007-09-16 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: We see the browser cache bite us regularly with regard to the way they dip into the cache for long-stale records today. Does browser caching still work these days? I thought all web admins disabled it on their servers because they can't

Re: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?

2007-09-16 Thread Andy Davidson
On 16 Sep 2007, at 15:13, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: We see the browser cache bite us regularly with regard to the way they dip into the cache for long-stale records today. Does browser caching still work these days? I thought all web admins disabled it on their servers because they can't

Re: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?

2007-09-16 Thread Stephen Satchell
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Does browser caching still work these days? I thought all web admins disabled it on their servers because they can't be bothered to think about which cache directives to send along with each page. I can rarely return to a previously viewed page without the browser

RE: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?

2007-09-16 Thread michael.dillon
I think we will never move to IPv6 if vendors don't do things like the one in the Airport. However, in order to make this transition phase where there may be a possible degradation of the RTT, we need to cooperation of the operators, for example deploying 6to4 relays in their networks.

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-16 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 16-sep-2007, at 16:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - setup a 6to4 relay + route 192.88.99.1 + 2002::/16 How? Listing 11-7. A Cisco 6to4-to-IPv6 Gateway Configuration ! interface Loopback2002 ip address 192.88.99.1 255.255.255.255 ! interface Tunnel2002 ipv6 enable