Re: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?

2007-09-24 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Some months ago I already circulated in this list instructions that I've provided in other IPv6 related exploder for doing so ... Introduction to 6to4 https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/2007/61.html Configuring 6to4 Relay in Cisco

Re: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?

2007-09-24 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
For a production service, I will never use dual naming for IPv4 and IPv6, is ridiculous ask the users to understand if they want to use one or the other to use a different name. For a testing, not an issue. Regards, Jordi De: Martin Hannigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-24 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Unfortunately, Juniper doesn't support 6to4, only in Netscreen boxes. This is ridiculous and I already asked Juniper several times about this ..., but never got a positive feedback about when it will be supported. Regards, Jordi De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha:

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-24 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
There is something not correct here ... Proto-41 is supported by many boxes, even NAT boxes, I guess by mistake from de vendor/implementation ... Basically many boxes just understand TCP and UDP and they decide to pass-thru other unknown protocols, instead of discarding them. I've document that

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-24 Thread Nathan Ward
On 24/09/2007, at 10:46 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: There is something not correct here ... Proto-41 is supported by many boxes, even NAT boxes, I guess by mistake from de vendor/implementation ... Basically many boxes just understand TCP and UDP and they decide to pass-thru other

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-24 Thread Nathan Ward
On 20/09/2007, at 4:08 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: Adrian Chadd wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2007, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: location would be enough. If I had some old 7200s lying around I'd use those, in locations where replacing drives isn't a huge deal a BSD box (Linux if you insist) would

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-24 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:35:12 +1200, Nathan Ward said: Probably doesn't work so well if you have 6k people behind the same NAT, and they all try and use proto-41, though. If you have 6,000 people behind a single NAT, proto-41 is probably the least of your concerns, and Randy Bush may or may

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-24 Thread Nathan Ward
On 24/09/2007, at 11:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:35:12 +1200, Nathan Ward said: Probably doesn't work so well if you have 6k people behind the same NAT, and they all try and use proto-41, though. If you have 6,000 people behind a single NAT, proto-41 is probably

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-24 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Yes, that's clear, I was assuming we are talking about end boxes such as a CPE. Regards, Jordi De: Nathan Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:35:12 +1200 Para: NANOG nanog@merit.edu Asunto: Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to

RE: New TransPacific Cable Projects:

2007-09-24 Thread Frank Bulk
Here is a TeleGeography news article worth a quick read: http://www.telegeography.com/cu/article.php?article_id=19783email=html It appears that that article assumes that capacity will not be increased by WDM products...have those that been applied on those links already reached the cables'

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-24 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 24-sep-2007, at 13:55, Nathan Ward wrote: The other thing to note - 6to4 kicks in on Vista if it has a non- RFC1918 IPv4 address, so we're talking about people NATing large numbers of non-RFC1918 space. Regardless of how crazy they might seem, these networks exist [...] when those

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-24 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: Yes, that's clear, I was assuming we are talking about end boxes such as a CPE. You'd be surprised how many Cisco 827's there are out there in strange places without a sane NAT config (with all the 12.4T NAT twiddles set appropriately.) Max

Re: New TransPacific Cable Projects:

2007-09-24 Thread Adrian Chadd
[michael dillon] And the other cable, which Google is involved in, is connecting the USA and Australia, a country that has always had connectivity issues, especially pricing issues. This has led to a much higher use of web proxies in Australia to reduce international traffic levels and this

Rings done right (was: Re: Bee attack, fiber cut, 7-hour outage)

2007-09-24 Thread John Curran
Has anyone calculated what the cost of doing this correctly once vs the ongoing support/SLA/etc issues of repairing it when it goes boom is? I've gotta believe that for 90% of the situations where diverse routes exist, just being used as dual linear paths, its cheaper in the long term to do it

Re: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)

2007-09-24 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:41:12 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, Juniper doesn't support 6to4, only in Netscreen boxes. This is ridiculous and I already asked Juniper several times about this ..., but never got a positive

RE: New TransPacific Cable Projects:

2007-09-24 Thread Rod Beck
Here is a TeleGeography news article worth a quick read: http://www.telegeography.com/cu/article.php?article_id=19783email=html It appears that that article assumes that capacity will not be increased by WDM products...have those that been applied on those links already reached the cables'

RE: New TransPacific Cable Projects:

2007-09-24 Thread Frank Bulk
Make sense what you said, I'm just pretty sure that eventually they'll come up with a way to put 100 to 500 waves on it. Frank -Original Message- From: Rod Beck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nanog@merit.edu