The EU's and Google's official positions (was: EU Official: IP Is Personal)

2008-01-25 Thread michael.dillon
> In the case the german regulator is dealing with the ip > address is not be considered exclusive of the rest of a data > set. The question is given a commercially valuable dataset > which contains ip addresses what is sufficient to anonymize > the users while maintaining the value of the d

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:33:20 PST, Owen DeLong said: And oddly enough, license plates on cars act *exactly the same way* - but nobody seems at all surprised when police can work backwards from a plate and come up with a suspect (who, admittedly, ma

Re: NetworkSolutions - Was: Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-25 Thread Bjørn Mork
Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Network Solutions appears to have some level of support for RRs >> because I am aware of domain names registered through them that have >> RRs. > > it is pushing glue to the parent zone, com et alia, that is the > problem. Why don't you ju

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Roland Perry
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hank Nussbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I wouldn't be suprised if in a few years some EU/US law mandates IP number portability, just like people have with their cellphones. I doubt it. The portability of Internet Addressing arises from the use of DNS. You

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Johnny Eriksson
Hank Nussbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wouldn't be suprised if in a few years some EU/US law mandates IP number > portability, just like people have with their cellphones. Imagine what > that will do to the routing tables. How many /32s can we get into the > RIBs these days? :-) Th

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Matt Palmer
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:49:48AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:33:20 PST, Owen DeLong said: > >>>And oddly enough, license plates on cars act *exactly the same way* - but > >>>nobody seems at all surprised when police can

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Roland Perry
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes So - if you can work backwards from license plate info, telephone numbers, and IP addresses, and get a good idea of who the person is, and there's general agreement that the first two are "personal information" that allows (at least specu

BGP Update Report

2008-01-25 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 24-Dec-07 -to- 24-Jan-08 (32 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS2.0 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS17421 419590 5.6% 10489.8 -- EMOME-TW Long Distance & Mobile Business Group, 2 - AS3462

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Roland Perry
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Tunnels all over the place seems like the only way it'd even be halfway practical. It's more-or-less how phone number portability works anyway, from what (little) I know. I don't know about the USA, but in the UK it's don

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Tim Franklin
On Fri, January 25, 2008 6:33 am, Owen DeLong wrote: > In order to be using the license plate, you had to be physically present > in the car. Or in any car displaying the same identifier. > In order to be on the telephone number, you (almost always) need to be > present at the site where that p

The Cidr Report

2008-01-25 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Jan 25 21:15:38 2008 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

Re: NetworkSolutions - Was: Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-25 Thread Jeroen Massar
Bjørn Mork wrote: Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Network Solutions appears to have some level of support for RRs because I am aware of domain names registered through them that have RRs. it is pushing glue to the parent zone, com et alia, that is the problem. Why don't

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Andy Davidson
On 25 Jan 2008, at 10:42, Roland Perry wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes Tunnels all over the place seems like the only way it'd even be halfway practical. It's more-or-less how phone number portability works anyway, from what (little) I know. I

[admin] Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Martin Hannigan
Folks, we'd like to ask that this thread die a quick and painful death. It's gone off topic and it seems to have run whatever short course that it tried. While what Europe does is interesting to us as network operators, this is European policy and off topic for NANOG. Best Regards, Martin Hannig

Re: NetworkSolutions - Was: Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-25 Thread Randy Bush
Network Solutions appears to have some level of support for RRs because I am aware of domain names registered through them that have RRs. it is pushing glue to the parent zone, com et alia, that is the problem. Why don't you just put your DNS servers in some other TLD and forget

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Roland Perry
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Tunnels all over the place seems like the only way it'd even be halfway practical. It's more-or-less how phone number portability works anyway, from what (little) I know. I don't know about the USA, but in the UK it's d

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:42:44AM +, Roland Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 15 lines which said: > in the UK it [phone number portability] 's done with something > similar to DNS. The telephone system looks up the first N digits of > the number to determine the operator it wa

RE: NetworkSolutions - Was: Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-25 Thread David Freedman
>Why don't you just put your DNS servers in some other TLD and forget >about the problems of adding glue records to .net/.com? The name >of your DNS server can't really be that important. Because it would mean changing the nameservers for $stupid amounts of customer domains for which we are

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 25, 2008, at 6:05 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:42:44AM +, Roland Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 15 lines which said: in the UK it [phone number portability] 's done with something similar to DNS. The telephone system looks up the first N

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Owen DeLong
I don't know about your IP addresses, but, people can use my IP addresses from a number of locations which are nowhere near the jurisdiction in which my network operates, so, I don't really see the correlation here with license plates or phone numbers. I'm not clear if you mean legitimate

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Roland Perry
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in the UK it [phone number portability] 's done with something similar to DNS. The telephone system looks up the first N digits of the number to determine the operator it was first issued to. And places a query to

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-25 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:49:48AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: ... > I wouldn't be suprised if in a few years some EU/US law mandates IP number > portability, just like people have with their cellphones. Imagine what > that will do to the routing tables. How many /32s can we get into the >