Re: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008, Andrew C Burnette wrote: > Indeed. PCI-X is already an EOL'ed interface, if only cheap PCI-X cards > were available. Once you add extensive ACL's, there's loads more > [central] processing to be done than just packet routing (100k choices > versus 2 to 4 interfaces). Syst

Re: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread Andrew C Burnette
William Herrin wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Sargun Dhillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: from a viewpoint of hardware, x86 is a fairly decent platform. I can stuff 40 (4x10GigE multiplex with a switch) 1 GigE ports in it. Though, the way that Linux works, it cannot handle high pac

Re: IPv6 tunnel for ISP sought

2008-03-26 Thread Mike Leber
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Adam Armstrong wrote: > Joel Snyder wrote: > > We would like to get an IPv6 tunnel to begin limited testing of IPv6 > > for customers. Is there any IPv6-savvy ISP out there who will > > give/sell tunnels to other ISPs? > Are there any EU ISPs doing IPv6 BGP peering/freebie

RE: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread Buhrmaster, Gary
> FPGAs can be used to do both SRAM and TCAMs. All that is needed > is an FPGA board with 10G or a 10G card with an FPGA on it. The Xilinx Virtex family can already do 10G, if you are into FPGA development (I seem to recall the first Xilinx FPGA that could do 10G was 4-5 years ago; forever in Mo

RE: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread michael.dillon
> High-rate routers try to keep the packets in an SRAM queue > and instead of looking up destinations in a DRAM-based radix > tree, they use a special memory device called a TCAM. FPGAs can be used to do both SRAM and TCAMs. All that is needed is an FPGA board with 10G or a 10G card with an FPG

Re: IPv6 tunnel for ISP sought

2008-03-26 Thread Adam Armstrong
Joel Snyder wrote: We would like to get an IPv6 tunnel to begin limited testing of IPv6 for customers. Is there any IPv6-savvy ISP out there who will give/sell tunnels to other ISPs? Are there any EU ISPs doing IPv6 BGP peering/freebie transit-ish via tunnels? I'm trying to do some testing

Re: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Sargun Dhillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder how difficult it would be to integrate such a device on to > an x86 board cheaply. Something like NetFPGA (http://netfpga.org/) would > be an interesting place to start. The board has on board SRAM, a bit o

Re: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread Sargun Dhillon
I wonder how difficult it would be to integrate such a device on to an x86 board cheaply. Something like NetFPGA (http://netfpga.org/) would be an interesting place to start. The board has on board SRAM, a bit of DRAM, an FPGA, and 2 GigE interfaces. I know it definitely isn't normal for

Re: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Sargun Dhillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > from a viewpoint of hardware, > x86 is a fairly decent platform. I can stuff 40 (4x10GigE multiplex with > a switch) 1 GigE ports in it. Though, the way that Linux works, it > cannot handle high packet rates. Correct

Re: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread Sargun Dhillon
Actually, soon this will no longer be true. Vyatta's new platform, Glendale, will be moving to Quagga. Quagga is much more stable, and slow-moving compared to Xorp, which makes me slightly more comfortable (less breakage between versions). There are some major features lacking inside of the platf

Re: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread Robert Bays
Actually the latest version of Vyatta uses Quagga. If anyone is interested in discussing the differences in running the two in production networks feel free to contact me off list. In full disclosure, I work for Vyatta. Cheers, Robert. Peter Wohlers wrote: > Vyatta is built on top of xorp. You

Re: rack power question

2008-03-26 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Dorn Hetzel wrote: > > A close second might be liquid cooled air tight cabinets with the air/water > heat exchangers (redundant pair) at the bottom where leaks are less of an > issue (drip tray, anyone? :) )... Something like what you suggest has been around for a year or two

Re: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread Peter Wohlers
Paul Vixie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People rolling their own router are not the only ones who want to do 10G on Linux. speaking of which, has anybody run "xorp" in production? it looks as much like JunOS as quagga/zebra looks like IOS. if "click" works on current hardware and if th

Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco IOS Virtual Private Dial-up Network Denial of Service Vulnerability

2008-03-26 Thread Cisco Systems Product Security Incident Response Team
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Cisco Security Advisory: Vulnerability in Cisco IOS with OSPF, MPLS VPN, and Supervisor 32, Supervisor 720, or Route Switch Processor 720

2008-03-26 Thread Cisco Systems Product Security Incident Response Team
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Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco IOS Multicast Virtual Private Network (MVPN) Data Leak

2008-03-26 Thread Cisco Systems Product Security Incident Response Team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco IOS Multicast Virtual Private Network (MVPN) Data Leak Advisory ID: cisco-sa-20080326-mvpn http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20080326-mvpn.shtml Revision 1.0 For Public Release

Re: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Robert Boyle wrote: > Even with their specialized hardware platform, bus, and > extensive tuning, they only get 10Gb/s throughput on the > dual or quad 10G modules. However you can do 100,000 line > ACLs at that speed. It is built for a different > application than core

Re: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > People rolling their own router are not the only ones who > want to do 10G on Linux. speaking of which, has anybody run "xorp" in production? it looks as much like JunOS as quagga/zebra looks like IOS. if "click" works on current hardware and if the xorp/click integ

Re: data center loading (was:Re: rack power question)

2008-03-26 Thread Robert Boyle
At 10:15 AM 3/26/2008, Lamar Owen wrote: One thing I haven't seen discussed, though, is the other big issue with high-density equipment, and that is weight. Those raised floors have a weight limit. In our case, our floors, built out in the early 90's, have a 1500 lb per square inch point load

RE: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread Robert Boyle
At 09:59 AM 3/26/2008, you wrote: > Is there a multiport card out there on to which some of the > forwarding responsibilities can be offloaded? Perhaps the > CPU doesn't need to see every packet that arrives on the machine. Am I the only person who has heard of Google? It didn't take me long

data center loading (was:Re: rack power question)

2008-03-26 Thread Lamar Owen
On Monday 24 March 2008, Deepak Jain wrote: > While I enjoy hand waving as much as the next guy... reading over this > thread, there are several definitions of sq ft (ft^2) here and folks are > interchanging their uses whether aware of it or not. [snip] > A 30KW cabinet while one sounds lovely, a

Re: rack power question

2008-03-26 Thread Petri Helenius
Dorn Hetzel wrote: I believe some of the calculations for hole/trench sizing per ton used for geothermal exchange heating/cooling applications rely on the seasonal nature of heating/cooling. I have heard that if you either heat or cool on a continuous permanent basis, year-round, then you ne

Re: rack power question

2008-03-26 Thread Dorn Hetzel
I believe some of the calculations for hole/trench sizing per ton used for geothermal exchange heating/cooling applications rely on the seasonal nature of heating/cooling. I have heard that if you either heat or cool on a continuous permanent basis, year-round, then you need to allow for more hole