Re: Large ISPs doing NAT?

2002-05-02 Thread Peter Bierman
At 1:20 AM -0700 5/2/02, Scott Francis wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 04:07:34PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You've got to be kidding. Do you think it's clear to the average consumer buying a GPRS phone what NAT is, and why they might or might not want it? The average customer buying a

RE: Large ISPs doing NAT?

2002-05-02 Thread Peter Bierman
At 11:15 AM +0200 5/2/02, Daniska Tomas wrote: no eye-shutting. it's just about considering HOW MANY (or WHAT PART) of your users will need the 'full' service. if you have 95% of bfu's with web+mail phones or pda's then nat is completely ok for them. and those 5% (if so many ever) phreaks -

Re: Large ISPs doing NAT?

2002-05-02 Thread Peter Bierman
At 11:34 AM -0700 5/2/02, Scott Francis wrote: And what if I want to invent the next big thing? A game, that people play in real time, with their palm-sized gizmo. What if that game can't be made scalable unless those devices have real IPs? What if that game is the catalyst that causes a

Re: Large ISPs doing NAT?

2002-05-01 Thread Peter Bierman
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