I recommend Bill St. Arnaud's daily blog:
[From Dewayne Hendricks list--BSA]
[Note: This item comes from friend Charles Brown. DLH]
European Research Project to Shape Next Generation Internet TV
http://www.p2p-next.org/
Brussels, 19 February 2008 - P2P-Next, a pan-European conglomerate of
Well, I guess the experts need an education. Cable cuts do occur in deep sea.
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.
Gentlemen,
It's not a question of being on-net or not. It is question of given scarce
network resources, where would you prefer to use them?
My suspicion is that your vendors think they can generate a higher return by
using those resources to serve many customers as opposed to dedicate them
Lots of IP providers make the conscious decision not to sell private line. At
locations that are connected to their backbone via fibre.
And it is quite common in less important markets.
Best,
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
I am suggesting a Certified Drinkers Event in the hotel bar Sunday evening.
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209.
French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97.
:29 PM
To: Rod Beck
Cc: North American Network Operators Group
Subject: RE: Area Social Activity
Given that the last reported water temperature in Monterey was 52.9F, I
think there will be more drinkers than divers.
- billn
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Rod Beck wrote:
I am suggesting a Certified
/2008 4:41 PM
To: Rod Beck; Bill Nash
Cc: North American Network Operators Group
Subject: RE: Area Social Activity
That's all they paid?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Rod Beck
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:31 AM
To: Bill Nash
Cc: North American Network
Doesn't sound like sabotage to me. In fact, it sounds like bad luck.
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209.
French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97.
AOL
There is an important point to make here. The word 'cut' is misleading as it
suggests that someone cut it.
The correct terminology is 'non-operational cable'. Shakespeare faces no
competition from my industry ...
Most cable failures occur when deep ocean currents rub the cable against rocks
I have not looked at a map. My guess is that most of these cables are linear -
point-to-point.
Obviously a more robust architecture is a ring. All TransAtlantic cables are
rings, but can you justify the economic cost of a ring architecture to serve
relatively small countries? Hmm ...
Despite
It's obviously the KGB, which wants the world to be dependent on Russia for oil
All Russians please report to their nearest FBI office for execution and
subsequent interrogation ...
Regards,
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012
Generally speaking, it is the undersea cable maintence folks who benefit since
they do the repairs. Alcatel, Global Marine, Tyco Submarine, to name a few. It
is common practice to use the same company that laid the cable, but it is not
an obligation.
Contracts are structured as an annual
Gentlemen,
This is my last comment on this subject.
Paranoia is not a virtue. And security establishments are notorious for
exaggerating threats (Soviet Union's economy and hence ability to wage war was
half of what the CIA estimated). They are interest groups just like the rest of
us ...
to something like heavy weight
armored on the edge of a fishing ground or winding through a
treacherous bottom geology, your're talking much larger diameters and
much more weight, as Rod Beck had mentioned previously.
There are many variables that go into route selection and cabling
which impact type
Of course, we all know the Mossad (Israeli secret services) and CIA did it as
part of the global conspiracy against the Middle East and Third World ...
In recent years I have restrained myself, but from time to time the 'old Rod
Beck' manages to evade the supervision of the Super Ego
Not at all, there have been cables in the water since 1858 (first TransAtlantic
cable - telegraph). Right now there are 80 major cables out there.
Give yourself 170 years of undersea cables and calculate the odds.
:)
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du
Well, when you have all these cables running through narrow straits or
converging to the same stretch of beach, it does not strike me as at all
extraordinary.
An important factor is cooperation. Is there cooperation between the fiber
optic guys and fishing associations to minimize hits?
I
Hi Steve,
TransAtlantic cables average three repairs a year. That's the industry average.
So given 7 high capacity cable systems, that's 21 repairs a year.
Now, not all damaged cables go out of service. In fact, most stay in service
until the repair begins.
But the public rarely hears
Telecommunication facilities have rarely been targets of terrorism. There is
only one known case - the Tamil Tigers destroyed a central office in Sri Lanka
some years back. My guess is that terrorists want to kill people, not destroy
optical muxes, Class 5 switches, and the like.
And the
http://www.kisca.org.uk/Web_SWApproaches.pdf
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Martin Hannigan
Sent: Thu 1/31/2008 12:48 PM
To: Hank Nussbacher
Cc: Sean Donelan; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption
On Jan 31, 2008 4:30 AM, Hank
Cables are mostly damaged by fishing in coastal areas (continental shelf) or by
deep undersea currents that erode the polyurethane jacket that protects them.
So it is crucial that the cable be buried at least one meter and preferably two
meters in coastal waters. The big fishing boats scrape
Well, take a look at this map and tell me how many TransAtlantic landing
stations are within several kilometers of each other.
Look at how the TransAtlantic cables converge to landing points (except for
Hibernia).
http://www.kisca.org.uk/Web_SWApproaches.pdf
These maps are used by UK and
Message-
From: Rod Beck
Sent: Thu 1/31/2008 1:05 PM
To: Martin Hannigan; Hank Nussbacher
Cc: Sean Donelan; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption
http://www.kisca.org.uk/Web_SWApproaches.pdf
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Martin
Hi Martin,
Look more closely. I agree the red dots are repeaters. The yellow dots are
repairs. And the yellow dots are bunched, which what you would expect for
repairs. Not evenly spaced.
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
I am frankly shocked that some people claim that you cannot identify people by
the IP address. There was a scandal in the States where a well known ISP
released search records and the New York Times was able to identify individuals
using the IP address together with the search records.
If a
I refer you to the following posting:
Our University uses dynamic addressing but we are able to identify likely users
in response to the RIAA stuff. There is a hidden step in here, at least for our
University, in the IP-to-Person mapping. Our network essentially tracks the
IP-to-MAC
Hi Jeff,
I agree. But gives a lot more information that most people will be comfortable
disclosing.
It may not guarantee identity, but it can help narrow it down to a household or
billing account.
I think it is time that privacy trump business interests.
Roderick S. Beck
Director of
Hi Andrew,
I don't think it is obvious that it is too expensive to justify metering in
today's environment. Such a claim was definitely true a few years ago when end
users were mostly sending email, instant messages, and downloading web pages,
but innovation has probably changed the outcome
.'' Albert
Einstein.
-Original Message-
From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sun 1/20/2008 2:37 PM
To: Rod Beck
Cc: Scott McGrath; Rod Beck; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Patrick W. Gilmore;
nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner
In the Brave New World, the gap between the average user and the user whose
peak demand determines upstream capacity needs, has widened.
So the access providers will find that their infrastructure needs upgrading. In
particular, the backhaul will need constant upgrading. And of course, more
Because the industry needs to attract capital, which is difficult when the
payback period on capital expenditures continunes to climb and hence the rate
of return continues to fall.
The incumbents love to talk about what a great quarter they had selling DSL.
But very few (if any) will
If service is metered, it doesn't imply 25 cents a minute. It would probably be
based on bytes transferred and would probably be less expensive for the bulk of
users than the current flat rate pricing. If the cable companies are telling
the truth, roughly 5% of their customers generate 50% of
http://www.ecommercetimes.com/rsstory/61251.html
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209.
French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97.
AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth
Do other industries have mixed pricing schemes that successfully coexist? Some
restuarants are all-you-can-eat and others are pay by portion. You can buy a
car outright or rent one and pay by the mile.
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012
Hi Folks,
1. UK: UKNOF; http://www.uknof.org.uk/ I just attended the last meeting Monday.
Free and a good lunch included!
Please do not confuse UKNOF with the United Kingdom Nitric Oxide Forum. Nitric
Oxide keeps your arteries relaxed and your blood pressure under control
2. Europe: RIPE;
At the risk of incurring Mr. Pilosoft's wrath (the Putin of NANOG?), I'll
looking for NANOG style ISP meetings to attend in Europe this year (France,
Germany, UK, Belgium, and Netherlands). Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Please bypass the list and send them directly to me.
Roderick S.
I have reached the conclusion that some of these threads are good indicators of
the degree of underemployment among our esteemed members. But don't worry, I am
not a snitch.
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
The vast bulk of users have no idea how many bytes they
consume each month or the bytes generated by different
applications. The schemes being advocated in this discussion
require that the end users be Layer 3 engineers.
Actually, it sounds a lot like the Electric7 tariffs found in the UK
On 24-okt-2007, at 17:39, Rod Beck wrote:
A simpler and hence less costly approach for those providers
serving mass markets is to stick to flat rate pricing and outlaw
high-bandwidth applications that are used by only a small number of
end users.
That's not going to work in the long
The vast bulk of users have no idea how many bytes they consume each month or
the bytes generated by different applications. The schemes being advocated in
this discussion require that the end users be Layer 3 engineers.
That might dramatically shrink you 'addressable market', not to mention
On Wednesday 24 October 2007 05:36, Henry Yen wrote:
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:20:49AM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote:
Why are no major us builders installing FTTH today? Greenfield should
be the easiest, and major builders like Pulte, Centex and the like
should be eager to offer it; but
That misses the point. They are probably being forced to adapt by a monopoly or
a quasi-monopoly or by the fact that transport into Australia is extremely
expensive. The situation outside of Australia is quite different. A DS3 from
Sydney to LA is worth about 10 DS3s NYC/London.
It is not
Exactly. And because they installed fiber, the FCC has ruled that they
do not have to provide unbundled network elements to competitors.
It's this last bit that seems to be leading to lots of complaints, and
it's the earlier pricing of unbundled network elements at or above the
cost of
I did consulting work for NTT in 2001 and 2002 and visited their Tokyo
headquarters twice. NTT has two ILEC divisions, NTT East and NTT West. The ILEC
management told me in conversations that there was no money in
fiber-to-the-home; the entire rollout was due to government pressure and was
Here is a TeleGeography news article worth a quick read:
http://www.telegeography.com/cu/article.php?article_id=19783email=html
It appears that that article assumes that capacity will not be increased by
WDM products...have those that been applied on those links already reached
the cables'
It is not obvious to me that there is a Pacific cable capacity glut. For
example, I sold a DS3 from LA to Hong Kong for $6K MRC whereas the last time a
wholesale TransAtlantic DS3 rivaled that figure was 2001.
Now you could argue that one needs to look at pricing on a mileage-adjusted
basis
On Sep 22, 2007, at 5:26 AM, Rod Beck wrote:
It is not obvious to me that there is a Pacific cable capacity
glut. For example, I sold a DS3 from LA to Hong Kong for $6K MRC
whereas the last time a wholesale TransAtlantic DS3 rivaled that
figure was 2001.
Not to mention
As opposed to 'unintentionally sabotaged'? I think there is some redundancy
there ...
Sorry for the cheap shot, it was just too tempting.
Roderick S. Beck
Director of EMEA Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.
Is this a declaration of principles? There is no reason why 'Tier 1' means that
the carrier will not have an incentive to shape or even block traffic.
Particularly, if they have a lot of eyeballs.
Roderick S. Beck
Director of EMEA Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
How about Telia or T Systems or PCCW?
All of those carriers are worthy of scrutiny.
Roderick S. Beck
Director of EMEA Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209
AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth
Can anyone give a breakdown of the different kinds of content deliver networks?
For example, we have Akamai, which appears to be a pure Layer 3 network that is
tailored to pushing relatively small files like web pages and we have Lime
Light Networks, which is a mix of Layer 1 and Layer 3, that
Protected 10 gig waves NYC/London are extremely expensive. Say $60K or more per
month.
So it usually makes sense for the Layer 3 guys to lease diversely routed 10 gig
waves and do the protection themselves using MPLS or load balancing or some
other protocol about which I know little ...
Gentlemen and Ladies,
I think we should shut down this line of argument.
Enjoy the beautiful weather here and Europe and have a good weekend.
Regards,
Roderick S. Beck
Hibernia Atlantic
30 Dongan Place, NY, NY 10040
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Landline: 1-212-942-3345
Wireless:
I rarely post, but that is clearly a problem. The Americans seem to believe in
the presumption of guilt and the infallibility of accusation. As an American
born and bred I can hardly be accused of bias.
Clearly spam is a serious problem in terms of draining network resources, but
is the greatest enemy of truth.'' Albert
Einstein.
-Original Message-
From: John Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 4/2/2007 3:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Rod Beck
Subject: Re: redefining which infrastructure is the proble [was: Re: On-going
..]
I rarely post
.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Sean Donelan
Sent: Sun 1/21/2007 8:13 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
tc connectivity disrupted
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
Unfortunately it is news
Well, I work for an undersea cable system and we are quite to willing to share
the information under NDA that is required to make an intelligent decision.
That means the street-level fiber maps and details of the undersea routes.
However, there is a general reluctance because so many carriers
Hi John,
There I disagree. Not with your statement, which is correct, but the
implication.
Most transatlantic cables are in the same backhaul conduit systems. For
example, the three systems that land in New Jersey use the same conduit to
backhaul their traffic to New York. The other three
.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Sean Donelan
Sent: Sun 1/21/2007 11:39 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
tc connectivity disrupted
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
Well, gentlemen, you
What's really interesing is the fragility of the existing telecom
infrastructure. These six cables were apparently very close to each other in
the water. In other words, despite all the preaching about physical diversity,
it was ignored in practice. Indeed, undersea cables very often use the
Hi Brian,
Unfortunately it is news to the decision makers, the buyers of network capacity
at many of the major IP backbones. Indeed, the Atlantic route has problems
quite similar to the Pacific.
:Roderick S. Beck
:EMEA and North American Sales
:Hibernia Atlantic
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