Re: /48 for each and every endsite (Was: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?)

2007-12-19 Thread JAKO Andras
> But even in 2000 the policy was and still is: > /128 for really a single device > /64 if you know for sure that only one single subnet will > ever be allocated. > /48 for every other case (smart bet, should be used per default) I believe this policy is changing. The new text is: "End

Re: /48 for each and every endsite (Was: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?)

2007-12-19 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Owen DeLong wrote: Do you mean the staff at the RIR? Do you mean the RIR Boards, Advisory Councils, or other representative governing bodies? Both these. The few times I have ventured to start emailing on a policy wg emailing list, I have gotten the notion that people

Re: /48 for each and every endsite (Was: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?)

2007-12-19 Thread Owen DeLong
So my wondering is basically, if we say we have millions of end users right now and we want to give them a /56 each, and this is no problem, then the policy is correct. We might not have them all IPv6 activated in 2 years which is the RIR planning horizon. I do concur with other posters

Re: /48 for each and every endsite (Was: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?)

2007-12-19 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Jeroen Massar wrote: you got a /32 in 2000 and you had 10k customers then you should be fine. If you already had 200k customers or so and then only requested a /32 though I think one can definitely state you made a big booboo. From what I have been told by my colleagues,

Re: /48 for each and every endsite (Was: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?)

2007-12-19 Thread Jeroen Massar
Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Dec 19, 2007 5:03 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> >>> "new" as in "We already have one, but we actually didn't really know >>> what we where requesting, now we need more" >> We got our current block in

Re: /48 for each and every endsite (Was: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?)

2007-12-19 Thread Jeroen Massar
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: [..] > The world tends to change in 7 years. You seem to like bashing people > for not knowing future policy and changes 7 year ahead of time, which I > think it quite sad. Not intended that way. What I was really surprised, and critical, of though is you mentioning that

Re: /48 for each and every endsite (Was: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?)

2007-12-19 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Dec 19, 2007 5:03 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Jeroen Massar wrote: > > > "new" as in "We already have one, but we actually didn't really know > > what we where requesting, now we need more" > > We got our current block in 2000 (or earlier, I don't

Re: /48 for each and every endsite (Was: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?)

2007-12-19 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Jeroen Massar wrote: Can I read from this that you never actually read any of the $RIR policy documentation about getting IPv6 address space even though you did request a /32 before, clearly without thinking about it? I never requested IPv6 space personally. I work with r

Re: /48 for each and every endsite (Was: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?)

2007-12-19 Thread Andy Davidson
On 19 Dec 2007, at 12:24, Jeroen Massar wrote: Andy Davidson wrote: [..] From the RIPE perspective, there are seven "empty" /32s between my /32 and the next allocation. I imagine this is fully intentional, and allows the NCC to grow my v6 address pool, without growing my footprint in the v

/48 for each and every endsite (Was: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?)

2007-12-19 Thread Jeroen Massar
Changing subject for these replies which will definitely be a bit on the quite mean side... no offense but start reading for once. Next to that there are also LIR courses which cover all of this. (see other mail for /56 for end-user-sites, /48 for end-business-sites) Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: [..