Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-10-03 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Sep 30, 2005, at 11:53 AM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Randy Bush writes: To get an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and perhaps run your own RIP-lab necromancy will be severely punished. many hand-on routing workshops start with rip,

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-10-01 Thread Petri Helenius
Per Gregers Bilse wrote: Life begins with ARP. I would have to argue that for majority of things connected to IP networks, life begins with DHCPDISCOVER. Pete

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router

2005-09-30 Thread Elmar K. Bins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Per Gregers Bilse) wrote: My finest Dilbert moment; it's over ten years old now, in fact. [...] *g* It is _so_ true and so happens in probably 80% of the companies. It got so bad that if there was nothing to report (ie, no outages, no problems, everything just worked) Boss

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-30 Thread Sabri Berisha
On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 05:39:30PM -0400, Mark Owen wrote: Any suggestions? Start with the OSI[1] model to grasp the fundamentals, next make sure you have a basic knowledge of how TCP/IP addressing works[2]. To get an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and perhaps run your

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-30 Thread Robert E . Seastrom
Sabri Berisha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To get an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and perhaps run your own RIP-lab necromancy will be severely punished. ---rob

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 05:50:52 EDT, Robert E.Seastrom said: Sabri Berisha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To get an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and perhaps run your own RIP-lab necromancy will be severely punished. Sayeth RFC1925: (4) Some things in life can never

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-30 Thread Randy Bush
To get an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and perhaps run your own RIP-lab necromancy will be severely punished. many hand-on routing workshops start with rip, though with the warning you will now learn why not to use rip. it makes it easy to teach poison reverse, ...

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-30 Thread Joe Abley
On 30-Sep-2005, at 09:32, Randy Bush wrote: To get an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and perhaps run your own RIP-lab necromancy will be severely punished. many hand-on routing workshops start with rip, though with the warning you will now learn why not to use rip.

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-30 Thread Sabri Berisha
On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 10:01:34AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: Hi, RIP also has the advantage that a worked, non-trivial example of the protocol can fit on a whiteboard, which makes it a reasonable way to teach the concept of a routing protocol to a classroom full of people who have never

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-30 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Randy Bush writes: To get an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and perhaps run your own RIP-lab necromancy will be severely punished. many hand-on routing workshops start with rip, though with the warning you will now learn why not to use

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-30 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:39:30 -0400 Mark Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05, Warren Kumari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have met Senior Network Engineers who don't understand longest match rule (The traffic will take 10/8 instead of 10.0.0.0/24 because it has a better admin distance,

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router

2005-09-29 Thread Warren Kumari
On Sep 29, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Elmar K. Bins wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Elmar K. Bins) wrote: That somehow sums it up quite good. Folks, I'm taking this back, seeing that the original poster is not alone. Makes me wonder as to what current network engineers do know about the world

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-29 Thread Mark Owen
On 9/29/05, Warren Kumari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have met Senior Network Engineers who don't understand longest match rule (The traffic will take 10/8 instead of 10.0.0.0/24 because it has a better admin distance, I can override these 300 OSPF routes with a single static supernet, etc),

RE: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-29 Thread Neil J. McRae
I'd start with Sam Halabi's Internet Routing Architectures book. In a similar note, I Do care about networks and the like but fail to fully understand the extensive details of how it all works. I do not proclaim myself to be an engineer and try to stick with what I do well. I read rfc,

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-29 Thread Aaron Glenn
On 9/29/05, Mark Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any suggestions? Keep reading everything you can get your hands on. When faced with a question like who owns this router?, don't waste your time signing up for a mailing list just to make a fool of yourself. Do some research. Keep reading. And

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-29 Thread matthew zeier
Any suggestions? Keep reading everything you can get your hands on. When faced with a question like who owns this router?, don't waste your time signing up for a mailing list just to make a fool of yourself. Do some research. Keep reading. And before you know it, you'll have taught yourself

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router

2005-09-29 Thread Per Gregers Bilse
On Sep 29, 1:34pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure that there are other, much more scary examples out there, feel free to send me (humorous) examples, I need a laugh today... My finest Dilbert moment; it's over ten years old now, in fact. Boss: Per, I need you to write much more

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-29 Thread Steve Thomas
On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 02:45:20PM -0700, Aaron is rumored to have said: When faced with a question like who owns this router?, don't waste your time signing up for a mailing list just to make a fool of yourself. Do some research. Keep reading. And before you know it, you'll have taught

RE: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-29 Thread Per Gregers Bilse
On Sep 29, 10:42pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd start with Sam Halabi's Internet Routing Architectures book. Grumble ... with reference to the issue of routing between connected networks, your choice might be too advanced. Douglas Comer's Internetworking With TCP/IP Vol I has been one of the

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-29 Thread matthew zeier
Life begins with ARP. Or RARP, depending ! -- matthew zeier - Curiosity is a willing, a proud, an eager confession of ignorance. - Leonard Rubenstein