On 5/31/05, Owen DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not having received one, I have no gag order, so, I am free to tell you I
haven't received one.
Owen
This assumes that the new breed of NSL doesn't require you to deny
having received an NSL when questioned, unless you want to have some
On 6/1/05, Chris Kuethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/31/05, Owen DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not having received one, I have no gag order, so, I am free to tell you I
haven't received one.
Owen
This assumes that the new breed of NSL doesn't require you to deny
having received an
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Owen DeLong
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:31 AM
To: Jason Frisvold; Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Administration Asks Appeals Court To Compel ISP Searches
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I
A major concern is indemnification and immunity for the ISP.
When someone is prosecuted they usually face major legal expenses, and
often are incapable of paying them. The prospect of a lengthy prison
sentence and/or criminal record does not portend well either.
Defense lawyers know this all
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Barry Shein wrote:
A major concern is indemnification and immunity for the ISP.
This sort of power was greatly expanded by a suspiciouly intentioned US
bill-turned-law from 2001 whose name I dare not mention in cleartext (g),
which allows such subpoenaless probes into far
Worth knowing how this all falls out, methinks.
http://www.securitypipeline.com/163702151
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On 5/31/05, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Worth knowing how this all falls out, methinks.
http://www.securitypipeline.com/163702151
Am I understanding this correctly? Are they trying to get ISP's to
release all customer information up front without any sort of legal
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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 11:53 AM
To: Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Administration Asks Appeals Court To Compel ISP Searches
On 5/31/05, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Worth knowing how
On 5/31/05, Chris Ranch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looks like they want us to turn over customer info without the subpoena,
but simply with a phone call (or whatever) from an investigator. I
would hope that would be just for specific accounts, and not the entire
customer list. In any event,
At 01:39 PM 5/31/2005, Jason Frisvold wrote:
On 5/31/05, Chris Ranch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looks like they want us to turn over customer info without the subpoena,
but simply with a phone call (or whatever) from an investigator. I
would hope that would be just for specific accounts, and
On May 31, 2005 12:39 PM, Jason Frisvold wrote:
On 5/31/05, Chris Ranch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looks like they want us to turn over customer info without the
subpoena, but simply with a phone call (or whatever) from an
investigator. I would hope that would be just for specific
At 01:54 PM 5/31/2005, Chris Ranch wrote:
I'm not so opposed to the don't tell anyone part. When we
receive a subpeona for a criminal case (as opposed to a civil
case), the subpeona usually states that the subpeona and
information being requested can't be discussed by anyone.
Whereas a
On 5/31/05, Chris Ranch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just reread the article, and realized I got it wrong. There is some
paperwork: The ruling came in a lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties
Union and an Internet access firm that received a national security
letter (NSL) from the FBI
At 01:53 PM 5/31/2005, W. Mark Herrick, Jr. wrote:
At 01:39 PM 5/31/2005, Jason Frisvold wrote:
Ugh.. Ok, so it's a Hi, I'm an FBI Agent. Gimme info on Joe Blow
and Mary Jane and I'm supposed to jump and give out that info... No
questions asked...
An NSL is hand delivered to an ISP, not
No.
An NSL is a letter that does not require any sort of court approval and
allows Law Enforcement to demand specific records and logs without
disclosure
and with no way to challenge the NSL short of challenging the
constitutionality
of the law authorizing NSLs in general.
The primary
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