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Subject: Re: Black Frog - the botnets keep coming
On 5/30/06, Alexei Roudnev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have not other chance than to accept it - itr is real life. Period.
So are (for example) skript kiddies.
On Tue, 30 May 2006 09:44:49 PDT, Alexei Roudnev said:
Netwok must be designed to survive few DDOS attacks easily, by
auto-isolating and auto-limiting such traffic. Else,
you will have a serious problems if real traffic became congested (for
example, everyone rush to download fee iPOD songs).
You have not other chance than to accept it - itr is real life. Period.
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Subject: Re: Black Frog - the botnets keep
On 5/30/06, Alexei Roudnev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have not other chance than to accept it - itr is real life. Period.
So are (for example) skript kiddies.
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: Black Frog - the botnets keep coming
On Thu, 25 May 2006, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Gadi Evron:
http://news.google.com/news?q=black+frog
How do we make this folly stop?
Ignore it? It's an inactive Sourceforge project (with some
Sorry, this is not acceptable, regardless of national boundaries.
And it will be fought against, regardless of where it originates,
or resides. Always.
I do not condone collateral damage strategies in this regard, but
suggesting that a wild, wild west Internet is something that will
be a
On Thu, 25 May 2006, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2006, Gadi Evron wrote:
I hate for this to be a quote by me, but Super Worms which steal credit
card, account data, login info. etc. for banks, credit card companies and
ecommerce sites online number at the millions a day. Including
Gadi Evron wrote:
[...]
Regular type fake site phishing is going to be with us for a long time
yet but several of the organized crime groups involved are hard at work at
released Trojan horses using root kit technology daily, which basically
steals your credentials to every HTTPS site you
* Gadi Evron:
Ignoring is the high-road. How long are we going to cry about the
Internet being a battle-ground, the wild west, or whatever else if
we legitimize DDoS?
The project needs to gather supporters before they can do any real
damage. Reports exposing their nefarious practices are
http://news.google.com/news?q=black+frog
How do we make this folly stop? Now that these kids showed up with the
Blue Security bsuiness plan plus a non-working anti-ddos idea (P2P), how
long until the other 10 kiddies thinking about it show up?
Who decides who these botnets attack, regardless of
* Gadi Evron:
http://news.google.com/news?q=black+frog
How do we make this folly stop?
Ignore it? It's an inactive Sourceforge project (with some Google
forums attached), and news reports seem to be based on a Slashdot
diary entry announcing it:
On Thu, 25 May 2006, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Gadi Evron:
http://news.google.com/news?q=black+frog
How do we make this folly stop?
Ignore it? It's an inactive Sourceforge project (with some Google
forums attached), and news reports seem to be based on a Slashdot
diary entry
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gadi Evron) [Thu 25 May 2006, 12:38 CEST]:
Sometimes being quiet is not going to win the war.
It would behoove you, however, to not cry wolf so often
-- Niels.
On May 25, 2006, at 5:37 AM, Niels Bakker wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gadi Evron) [Thu 25 May 2006, 12:38 CEST]:
Sometimes being quiet is not going to win the war.
It would behoove you, however, to not cry wolf so often
Maybe it would behoove network operators to not encourage kids to
On Thu, 25 May 2006, Niels Bakker wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gadi Evron) [Thu 25 May 2006, 12:38 CEST]:
Sometimes being quiet is not going to win the war.
It would behoove you, however, to not cry wolf so often
The fact that you believe that I cry wolf, shows just how sad the
situation
Gadi, one of the main issues that people take regarding this is that it
seems as though whenever we turn around, you're starting another OMG! THE
INTERNUT IS COMING TO AN ENDOMGNO!
And you get some people jumping around, and some people get all in a
frenzy over whatever the perceived issue
Personally as a manager I want to know the problem and
then the workable solution. I just don't see that many
bot nets happening anymore.
From my vantage point I do see students writing bot
nets more for programming skills than for malicious
attacks.
With several hundred million people and
On Thu, 25 May 2006, Henry Linneweh wrote:
Personally as a manager I want to know the problem and
then the workable solution. I just don't see that many
bot nets happening anymore.
From my vantage point I do see students writing bot
nets more for programming skills than for malicious
On Thu, 25 May 2006 10:17:56 CDT, Gadi Evron said:
I'm just happy there are communities such as NANOG out there, but when it
comes down to it, the Good online is based on good faith. The Bad is based
on cold Cash. Some lose as much as a million dollars a day on phishing, as
an example.
At 11:33 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote:
Citation on the $1M/day, please? (I'm sure the *aggregate* take is well
over that, but what *single entity* is seeing that magnitude losses?)
Although we all see lots of attempts at phishing and it gets lots of
press coverage, it is very small compared to
Henry Linneweh wrote:
Personally as a manager I want to know the problem and
then the workable solution. I just don't see that many
bot nets happening anymore.
From my vantage point I do see students writing bot
nets more for programming skills than for malicious
attacks.
With
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From: Henry Linneweh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Personally as a manager I want to know the problem and
then the workable solution. I just don't see that many
bot nets happening anymore.
You aren't looking close enough. Go to any university
network, run NTop at
On Thu, 25 May 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2006 10:17:56 CDT, Gadi Evron said:
I'm just happy there are communities such as NANOG out there, but when it
comes down to it, the Good online is based on good faith. The Bad is based
on cold Cash. Some lose as much as a
On Thu, 25 May 2006, Gadi Evron wrote:
I hate for this to be a quote by me, but Super Worms which steal credit
card, account data, login info. etc. for banks, credit card companies and
ecommerce sites online number at the millions a day. Including repeat
customers.
As to signle banks,
On Thu, 25 May 2006, Sean Donelan wrote:
Regardless of the numbers, I think we are currently stuck in a very
nasty spot
1. Reduce the cost of fixing/protecting a computer
2. or increase the losses from compromised computers
Either way, the consumer will eventually end up
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