Re: Cyberattack FUD

2002-11-22 Thread David Schwartz
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:31:30 -0800 (PST), Vadim Antonov wrote: >In the "regular" skyjacking the attackers want to get ransom, or divert an >airplane to someplace. They'll get cooperation from pilots, too - without >any need to be present in the cockpit. So if it is known that the policy >is no

Re: Cyberattack FUD

2002-11-22 Thread Vadim Antonov
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, David Schwartz wrote: > Suppose, for example, we'd had closed cockpit doors. The 9/11 terrorists > would have threatened the lives of the passengers and crew to induce the > pilots to open the doors. The pilots would have opened the doors because the > reasoning unt

Re: Cyberattack FUD

2002-11-21 Thread David Schwartz
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:12:20 -0800 (PST), Vadim Antonov wrote: >On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Barry Shein wrote: >>The attack on the WTC not only took out the WTC, it essentially has >>taken out our airline industry. >It may be argued that airline industry has taken out itself by first not >having elem

Re: Cyberattack FUD

2002-11-21 Thread Vadim Antonov
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Barry Shein wrote: > The attack on the WTC not only took out the WTC, it essentially has > taken out our airline industry. It may be argued that airline industry has taken out itself by first not having elementary precautions (like closed cockpit doors and having pilots to

Re: Cyberattack FUD

2002-11-21 Thread Barry Shein
Given the attacks and scale of attacks, such as 300+ broken into servers simultaneously spewing the same spam (we've experienced this) recently described here, I think it would be very naive to shrug it all off as mere obnoxiousness. The attack on the WTC not only took out the WTC, it essentiall

Re: Cyberattack FUD

2002-11-20 Thread Rajendra G. Kulkarni
William Waites wrote: > Taking the fear mongering and sabre rattling too seriously is much > more dangerous than any possible network outage. > -w The context may be different, however, the following two stories tell yet other sides of cyber security problem. In this case, it is not the net

Re: Cyberattack FUD

2002-11-20 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
Kurt> I am not sure what you mean with 25% of the Internet? What Kurt> connectivity would degrade? From where to where? If you randomly select nodes to remove, by the time you have removed 25% of them, the network breaks up into many isolated islands. As Sean Well, depending on top

Re: Cyberattack FUD

2002-11-20 Thread sgorman1
crap about worm brains but because it gives insight to a bigger picture. Not the best analogy but ya get the drift. - Original Message - From: William Waites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:35 pm Subject: Re: Cyberattack FUD > > >>> "Ku

Re: Cyberattack FUD

2002-11-20 Thread William Waites
>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Erik Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kurt> I am not sure what you mean with 25% of the Internet? What Kurt> connectivity would degrade? From where to where? If you randomly select nodes to remove, by the time you have removed 25% of them, the network breaks u