Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
http://www.cidr-report.org/#General_Status +2500 last night. It seems that the origin of this disease is in France. ... quoting myself: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:04:06 +0100 From: Fredy Kuenzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Init Seven AG - http://www.init7.net/ Subject: Routing Table Jump

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:51:33 +0200, Fredy Kuenzler said: Prefixes Change ASnum AS Description 3263 0-3263 AS4151USDA-1 - USDA so I wonder what's wrong with them. I'm not sure which is more weird - a jump of over 3K routes,

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Jared Mauch
On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 02:42:04PM +0200, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:51:33 +0200, Fredy Kuenzler said: Prefixes Change ASnum AS Description 3263 0-3263 AS4151USDA-1 - USDA so I wonder what's wrong with

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Rob Evans
Just to make it clear: AS4151 was 9 month ago. Now we see history again with new actors. (I guess the actual increase was done by various ASN of RENATER). I'm curious how you reach the conclusion that RENATER has contributed to many of the prefixes over the last week. They do seem to have

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Fergie
-- Jared Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 02:42:04PM +0200, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:51:33 +0200, Fredy Kuenzler said: Prefixes Change ASnum AS Description 3263 0-3263 AS4151USDA-1

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread david raistrick
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Fergie wrote: to be good actors. Perhaps it's time to bring back the old /19 filters that were started by sprint such. I was just thinking the same thing. :-) Maybe with a central feed ala the bogons, where those clueful enough can get their smaller blocks punched

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Rob Evans schrieb: Just to make it clear: AS4151 was 9 month ago. Now we see history again with new actors. (I guess the actual increase was done by various ASN of RENATER). I'm curious how you reach the conclusion that RENATER has contributed to many of the prefixes over the last week.

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 21-Jul-2006, at 09:17, Rob Evans wrote: There seem to be a whole load of ASNs that have deaggregated. AS5416, AS5639, AS6140, AS9121, AS13049, AS16130, AS17849, AS18049 (that's as far as I got before getting bored). Some of these are advertising the covering prefix too, so they're

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 21-Jul-2006, at 10:48, Joe Abley wrote: It would help immensely with getting that document published if people could read that draft, and let me know if it looks like something they would implement if it was implemented. Private mail would be great. Uh, something they would deploy

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2006-07-21 10:48 -0400), Joe Abley wrote: As it happens, Tony Li, Rex Fernando and I wrote up a proposal for a new attribute which might help in some of these situations. (It's a crude mechanism, but not as crude as NO_EXPORT).

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 21-Jul-2006, at 11:20, Saku Ytti wrote: On (2006-07-21 10:48 -0400), Joe Abley wrote: As it happens, Tony Li, Rex Fernando and I wrote up a proposal for a new attribute which might help in some of these situations. (It's a crude mechanism, but not as crude as NO_EXPORT).

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2006-07-21 11:38 -0400), Joe Abley wrote: That seems to me like another perfectly valid approach, and one that already exists to some extent (e.g. by pre-poisoning AS_PATH attributes with AS numbers of remote networks that you don't want to accept particular routes). I'm told that

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Fergie wrote: It's not, people are just lazy and since nobody owns the internet man, or maybe it's all a bunch of tubes there's nobody to force people to be good actors. Perhaps it's time to bring back the old /19 filters that were started by sprint such. I was

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:59:35 EDT, Jon Lewis said: As we push closer to the ipv4 route table limits of cisco's 6500/7600 series (with anything less than Sup720-3bxl), I suspect lots of networks are going to be forced to start doing some sort of filtering of routes beyond just refusing

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The big question is, of course, whether to upgrade a 6500 and keep it on life support, or bite the bullet and go for a whole new box. How much time a -3bxl and careful filtering will buy you does depend heavily on where in the Internet you are -

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 01:59:35PM -0400, Jon Lewis wrote: As we push closer to the ipv4 route table limits of cisco's 6500/7600 series (with anything less than Sup720-3bxl), I suspect lots of networks are going to be forced to start doing some sort of filtering of routes beyond just