Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread John Angelmo
blitz wrote: And you think the terresterial sources are hard to shut down Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs By Graeme Wearden Special to CNET News.com September 6, 2002, 10:14 AM PT http://news.com.com/2100-1033-956911.html LONDON--The proliferation of insecure

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread John Angelmo
Neil J. McRae wrote: I must be honest, I havn't heard of any reports here in Sweden (or anywhere else) that this is a real problem, are there any true incidents that this has happend? Yes. If you sit with your laptop in the park across from our office you can see 3 unprotected wireless

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread Neil J. McRae
Just cause there are unprotected WLANs dosn't imply that spammers use them (perhaps its to hard for the spammers ;)). Corporations should protect ther WLANs but saying that spamming is a great threat is to overdo it. I agree, but people said that the spammers wouldn't be able to deal with

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread John Angelmo
Neil J. McRae wrote: Just cause there are unprotected WLANs dosn't imply that spammers use them (perhaps its to hard for the spammers ;)). Corporations should protect ther WLANs but saying that spamming is a great threat is to overdo it. I agree, but people said that the spammers wouldn't

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread Jared Mauch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 12:45:23PM +0200, John Angelmo wrote: Just cause there are unprotected WLANs dosn't imply that spammers use them (perhaps its to hard for the spammers ;)). Corporations should protect ther WLANs but saying that spamming is a great threat is to overdo it. To

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread Michael . Dillon
I agree, but people said that the spammers wouldn't be able to deal with BGP route advertisement but there was cases of spammers injecting routes sending out spam then removing those routes. Wlan is easy. Spammers come from every walk of life including the various technical professions.

RE: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread Al Rowland
, _ Alan Rowland -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Neil J. McRae Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:37 AM To: John Angelmo Cc: blitz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs I must be honest, I

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread John Angelmo
Jared Mauch wrote: Imagine a few of the following scenarios: 1) You wok for an ISP and have access through them. One large enough that they apply their AUP to their own people. You have ISDN/DSL or some other connection w/ reverse-dns for your personal domain home. Someone

RE: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread Al Rowland
, _ Alan Rowland -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jared Mauch Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 5:01 AM To: John Angelmo Cc: Neil J. McRae; blitz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs On Wed, Sep 11

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread Jared Mauch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 07:08:53PM +0200, John Angelmo wrote: Jared Mauch wrote: In some way you are right, but still I think it's even worse to use WEP cause then the admins might think it's safe, it takes about 15 minutes to crack a wepkey, so instead of drive-by spamming you could call

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread Jared Mauch
This is what console ports / direct cable connects to a mgmt port (usb or whatnot) are useful for. As well as an overall 'clear config' button on the unit. Now if someone can help me figure out the unlock code for the microwave in the house i bought so i can stop unplugging

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread Stephen Stuart
In some way you are right, but still I think it's even worse to use WEP cause then the admins might think it's safe, it takes about 15 minutes to crack a wepkey, so instead of drive-by spamming you could call it drive-by, have a bagle, start spamming. WEP != security, true. The most

RE: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread Al Rowland
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:16 AM To: Al Rowland Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs This is what console ports / direct cable connects to a mgmt port (usb or whatnot) are useful for. As well as an overall 'clear config' button

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Al Rowland) [Wed 11 Sep 2002, 19:13 CEST]: The cost of enabling/labeling may be only a 'few cents more' but the cost of support when Joe Sixpack forgets his key/loses the label is another story altoghether. There's a reason most equipment, not just wireless, is deliverd

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Jared Mauch wrote: There are a lot of things one can do: 1) enable wep 2) rotate wep keys 3) authenticate by mac-address 4) restrict dhcp to known mac-addresses 5) force utilization of vpn/ipsec client Suddenly laying down UTP

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread David Lesher
{WEP != encryption... thread} As it happens, I'm looking at a consumer 802.11 product that will have real encryption. It should be released Real Soon Now I'll be happy to say more when that happens.. -- A host is a host from coast to [EMAIL PROTECTED] no one will talk to a host that's

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Lesher) [Wed 11 Sep 2002, 20:38 CEST]: As it happens, I'm looking at a consumer 802.11 product that will have real encryption. It should be released Real Soon Now I'll be happy to say more when that happens.. No Wires Needed is among the companies working on

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-11 Thread blitz
Getting your entire corporate LAN dumped into the RBL mess could be devastating, how much productivity lost? How much time wasted getting OFF the RBL? How many contacts missed, correspondences missed? You could be getting into a very rough ride for some days to some weeks, as the block

Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-10 Thread blitz
And you think the terresterial sources are hard to shut down Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs By Graeme Wearden Special to CNET News.com September 6, 2002, 10:14 AM PT http://news.com.com/2100-1033-956911.html LONDON--The proliferation of insecure corporate wireless networks

Re: Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs

2002-09-10 Thread Joel Jaeggli
It always figures, that when you create a commons, virtual or actual that someone will come along and mess it up. joelja On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, blitz wrote: And you think the terresterial sources are hard to shut down Drive-by spam hits wireless LANs By Graeme Wearden