Re: E-Mail Snooping Ruled Permissible

2004-07-01 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henry Linneweh) [Thu 01 Jul 2004, 15:01 CEST]: > Maybe Phil Zimmerman should come forth with new toys > for big boys that will be more valient an effort than > pgp with less a threat to his personal liberty. You may not have been paying attention, but PGP Inc.'s _PGP Universe

Re: E-Mail Snooping Ruled Permissible

2004-07-01 Thread james edwards
> Can someone point out, please, that CPUs have kilometers of 'wires', ram > have 'wires', and if anybody does any copying of data, its on the WIRES > of the motherboard (or whatever applies) 'data (WIRE) BUS' ? :) You should read the entire courts desicion, this issue is addressed. The Wire T

Re: E-Mail Snooping Ruled Permissible

2004-07-01 Thread Evaldo Gardenali
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 William Allen Simpson wrote: | James Edwards wrote: | |>It seems to me all the court said is you cannot use the Wire Tap Act |>in a case that the communication is not on the wire. | Can someone point out, please, that CPUs have kilometers of 'wires', ra

Re: E-Mail Snooping Ruled Permissible

2004-07-01 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
Hey Bill, > Switches, routers, and any intermediate computers are fair game for > warrantless wiretaps. I looked at that and thought about the one-bit-delay in a ring, and started playing with fragments and error correction and reassembly and buffer size in the intermediate network element(s) a

Re: E-Mail Snooping Ruled Permissible

2004-07-01 Thread William Allen Simpson
James Edwards wrote: > > It seems to me all the court said is you cannot use the Wire Tap Act > in a case that the communication is not on the wire. That is, at any time (the phrase "seconds or mili-seconds" [sic]) that the transmission is not actually on a wire. Switches, routers, and any in

Re: E-Mail Snooping Ruled Permissible

2004-06-30 Thread James Edwards
It seems to me all the court said is you cannot use the Wire Tap Act in a case that the communication is not on the wire. The court did note the they felt this Act needs updating. They indicated the Act was very specific and they did not feel extending the Act to cover e-mail in the conditions ment

Re: E-Mail Snooping Ruled Permissible

2004-06-30 Thread Henry Linneweh
Maybe Phil Zimmerman should come forth with new toys for big boys that will be more valient an effort than pgp with less a threat to his personal liberty. We definately need some relief from constantly being criminalized enmasse for actions from citizens of other nations and from control freaks wh

Re: E-Mail Snooping Ruled Permissible

2004-06-30 Thread Matthew Crocker
I know Brad Councilman, This all happened in my back yard. He ran a competing ISP with me (www.valinet.com). Not only was he reading his customers e-mail and harvesting Amazon.com orders he also hacked into 4 of the local area ISPs. I still remember the day I received a call from the FBI

Re: E-Mail Snooping Ruled Permissible

2004-06-30 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "John Neiberger" writes: > >http://wired.com/news/print/0,1294,64043,00.html > >Yet another reason why we should develop a system where all Internet >communications can be easily encrypted, whether it's email, VoIP, or >whatever. It's not like it's horribly difficu

E-Mail Snooping Ruled Permissible

2004-06-30 Thread John Neiberger
http://wired.com/news/print/0,1294,64043,00.html Yet another reason why we should develop a system where all Internet communications can be easily encrypted, whether it's email, VoIP, or whatever. It's not like it's horribly difficult now in some cases, but it does have its difficulties when it