Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-10 Thread Pete Templin
Drew Weaver wrote: We have heard a lot of negatives about them, about their pricing model, about their network, about de-peering with Level 3, etc. What we really need is actual information. Here's a good one about Cogent. 100BaseTX connection from us to a Cogent Cat3550 (A). A

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Todd Underwood
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 01:56:00AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (from Marty) From a global perspective[1], the top 12 (I stopped at Cogent since you are asking about them) service providers whose customers and peering partners reach the largest number of networks are listed below.

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 01:56 AM 3/8/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote: I am looking for user experiences for people who have purchased transit from cogent in the 300Mbps or up range as far as performance, stability, and any other measurable metric of quality

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Peter Cohen
On 3/8/06, Todd Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 01:56:00AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (from Marty) From a global perspective[1], the top 12 (I stopped at Cogent since you are asking about them) service providers whose customers and peering partners

RE: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread David Hubbard
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote: We have heard a lot of negatives about them, about their pricing model, about their network, about de-peering with Level 3, etc. What we really need is actual information. Much of the negatives is from jaded

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Mar 8, 2006, at 1:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At certain cities, your experience will be worse - Cogent doesn't have peers with big boys in every city they are at - so you'll have more chance of being backhauled to sfo/iad than if you bought from $bigger- carrier. It's not just

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Daniel Golding
On 3/8/06 8:57 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2006, at 1:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With regard to depeerings: they are a fact of life on the internet - and as a service provider, you should always have multiple transits, for this and other reasons.

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 09:35 AM 3/8/2006, Daniel Golding wrote: On 3/8/06 8:57 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2006, at 1:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With regard to depeerings: they are a fact of life on the internet - and as a service provider, you should always have

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Charles Gucker
Much of the negatives is from jaded competitors who don't want to fairly compete. Other than that, the answer is 'it depends'. Depends on if you like to do traffic engineering; Cogent's BGP community support, consisting of a whole three things you can set (two if you only have a single

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Jay Ford
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Drew Weaver wrote: I am looking for user experiences for people who have purchased transit from cogent in the 300Mbps or up range as far as performance, stability, and any other measurable metric of quality you can come up with. We have heard a lot of

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Todd Underwood
dan, all, On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:35:15AM -0500, Daniel Golding wrote: If your choice is between Cogent and some other provider, you are making a mistake. Cogent (and other low cost transit providers) can be part of a balanced stable of transit providers. Folks who single-home to Cogent

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Daniel Senie
At 08:57 AM 3/8/2006, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Mar 8, 2006, at 1:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At certain cities, your experience will be worse - Cogent doesn't have peers with big boys in every city they are at - so you'll have more chance of being backhauled to sfo/iad than if you

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread James
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:28:20AM -0600, Jay Ford wrote: [ .. snip .. ] o lack of well-published BGP knobs, such as communities to influence localpref... (they apparently exist, but are not well documented that I've been able to find) have you contacted [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread David Hubbard
From: Charles Gucker Depends on if you like to do traffic engineering; Cogent's BGP community support, consisting of a whole three things you can set (two if you only have a single connection to them), makes that rather difficult. Umm, where did you get that mis-information from?

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Charles Gucker
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 12:10:35PM -0500, Omachonu Ogali wrote: I have the need to de-pref my routes to Level3, to be of equal value as the routes they receive from their peers, but they don't offer a community for that. But wow, I can see that this route originated from Tustin, CA! Hrm, this

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Matthew Crocker
On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Daniel Golding wrote: One way to look at this is that you are getting a very low price per mbps with Cogent. Therefore, when Cogent's CEO decides its in his best interest to partition for a week over a depeering situation, their customer's role is to suck it

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-08 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Daniel Senie wrote: At 08:57 AM 3/8/2006, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: It's not just cities, it's entire countries. Try being on a DSL line in France and getting to a Cogent web server in France. How is this different from being a Comcast cable modem customer in

Re: Honest Cogent opinions without rhetoric.

2006-03-07 Thread alex
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote: I am looking for user experiences for people who have purchased transit from cogent in the 300Mbps or up range as far as performance, stability, and any other measurable metric of quality you can come up with. We have heard a