* Steve Bertrand:
>> Anyway, if you've got a customer account that was created with a stolen
>> credit card, and you get complaints about activity on that account from
>> various parties, and you still don't act, this shows a rather
>> significant level of carelessness.
>
> Further to carelessn
does the ISP proceed?
Terminating that client would amount to breach of contract in country B
and ISP may end being sued by client in Country B.
Raymond Macharia
JP Velders wrote:
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:23:15 GMT
From: Paul Ferguson &l
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> From: Paul Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?
> [ ... ]
> Sometimes I think to myself that "...ISPs
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007, J. Oquendo wrote:
Personally, if I were a business owner, I would attempt my
best to keep my networks in order and ensure that traffic being
sent *from* my network to the world wasn't tainted in any
shape form or fashion.
This is basically the clause for terminating servic
Florian Weimer wrote:
Anyway, if you've got a customer account that was created with a stolen
credit card, and you get complaints about activity on that account from
various parties, and you still don't act, this shows a rather
significant level of carelessness. The other side of the story is
Sean Donelan wrote:
> I don't know of any ISP that regularly (i.e. more than once) refuses to
> obey lawful orders of authorities in the relevant jurisdiction to take
> action.
No disagreement there, but take a look at the wording. "orders of
authorities". Inference: It's ok if someone I'm leasi
* Mike Lewinski:
> Florian Weimer wrote:
>
>> I don't know what case prompted Ferg to post his message to NANOG, but I
>> know that there are cases where failing to act is comparable to ignoring
>> the screams for help of an "alleged" rape victim during the "alleged"
>> crime.
>
> I'm reminded of
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Paul Ferguson wrote:
No, not necessarily. Given that there are Tier 1 ISPs, Tier 2, etc.,
so you can certainly have some small-ish ISP colluding with criminal
activity, in effect, by ignoring it or claiming ignorance.
However, it's kind of hard to plead ignorance when, say
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct 12 16:26:36 2007
> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:23:15 GMT
> Subject: Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?
>
> So, back to my original question: If you alert an ISP that "bad and
> possibly criminal" activi
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- -- Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>That's a different question all together, not about criminal ISPs, which
>[...]
No, not necessarily. Given that there are Tier 1 ISPs, Tier 2, etc.,
so you can certainly have some small-ish ISP colluding
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Paul Ferguson wrote:
So, back to my original question: If you alert an ISP that "bad and
possibly criminal" activity is taking place by one of their customer,
and they do not take corrective action (even after a year), what do
you do?
That's a different question all toge
Paul Ferguson wrote:
So, back to my original question: If you alert an ISP that "bad and
possibly criminal" activity is taking place by one of their customer,
and they do not take corrective action (even after a year), what do
you do?
In at least one case, where I knew the offender had been b
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- -- Mike Lewinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On a side note, now that I've gotten back on -post I will say that
I've had pretty dismal experiences working with Law Enforcement over the
years as a service provider. When you have to explain to
Florian Weimer wrote:
I don't know what case prompted Ferg to post his message to NANOG, but I
know that there are cases where failing to act is comparable to ignoring
the screams for help of an "alleged" rape victim during the "alleged"
crime.
I'm reminded of this story from earlier this yea
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