On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 08:20:08PM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote:
It's not that users are stupid, necessarily.
That was a bad choice of words on my part. I was aiming at describing
the perception we often have, as we sit in our back rooms and hear
the varied reports from our support departments of
On 17-apr-2007, at 4:12, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
I also don't know how they react when you try to contact a site
that _does_ have records, since no major content site has them
(which is a whole 'nother discussion).
Not major content sites, but these are some web sites with
Hi,
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
On 17-apr-2007, at 4:12, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
I also don't know how they react when you try to contact a site that _does_
have records, since no major content site has them (which is a whole
'nother discussion).
Not major
www.hitachi.co.jp
this one is very interesting! :-)
does anybody know more from Japan, regarding largely known brands?
They developed IPv6 shims for their Windows 95 network drivers to all
PCs using their network cards to use IPv6.
--Michael Dillon
In a message written on Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 03:42:53PM -0700, David W. Hankins
wrote:
Both of these two progression trees represent the cumulative
formulation of knowledge: Users are stupid. Automatic is not
just best, it's the only way.
[snip]
The main point, is that if you leave all
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 01:59:36PM +1200, Perry Lorier wrote:
When you can plug your computer in, and automatically (with no
clicking) get an IPv6 address,
Router Advertisements let you automatically configure as many IPv6
addresses as you feel like.
Remember that in XP, which Iljitsch
If you turn on IPv6 on an XP machine (or have it turned on for you
by a helpful application or MCP-enabled IT staff) be aware
that there can be unexpected consequences.
In my case it was discovering the nooks and crannies of Teredo,
Microsoft's IPv6 tunnelling protocol.
On 16-apr-2007, at 23:42, David W. Hankins wrote:
Router Advertisements let you automatically configure as many IPv6
addresses as you feel like.
Remember that in XP, which Iljitsch recently cited to support his
claim of years of operating system support, you must click IPv6
into your
[h how come I didn't parse any operational content in this post...]
Fred Heutte wrote:
[..]
I spent a couple hours in a hotel recently trying to untangle why
using the DSL system I could see the net but couldn't get to any
sites other than a few I tried at random like the BBC, Yahoo
and
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 12:38:42PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
Sure, but that's because with IPv4, there are only three flavors:
- manual configuration
- PPP
- DHCP
Although nobody uses them:
- BOOTP
- RARP
The distinction of DHCP, BOOTP, and RARP is important I think, and
it would
Thus spake Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fred Heutte wrote:
I spent a couple hours in a hotel recently trying to untangle why
using the DSL system I could see the net but couldn't get to any
sites other than a few I tried at random like the BBC, Yahoo
and Google.
That's because they are
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fred Heutte wrote:
I spent a couple hours in a hotel recently trying to untangle why
using the DSL system I could see the net but couldn't get to any
sites other than a few I tried at random like
Chris L. Morrow wrote:
[..]
the STSN devices? or 'ibahn' ? One thing to keep in mind is that the
DNS-LB used by Google/yahoo (in the examples above) seems to be returning
a CNAME for queries, then nothing for the follow-up resolution
request for a for the CNAME... So, ipv6 things may
I may well not have fully figured out what was going on
in this particular situation. Mostly because I got tired of
trying to sort out the endless mysteries of IPv6 running
under XP Service Pack 2.
Teredo may or may not have been at issue. I saw some
analyses indicating this might have been
Thus spake Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But for the rest it all seems pretty fine to me...
or do you mean that those ibahn things see NOERROR and
then no answers, thus wrongly cache that as label has 0 answers
at all? or what I mention above with the redirect?
They do the same thing for
Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But for the rest it all seems pretty fine to me...
or do you mean that those ibahn things see NOERROR and
then no answers, thus wrongly cache that as label has 0 answers
at all? or what I mention above with the redirect?
since somebody made the mistake of cc'ing me, i actually saw this message even
though i long ago killed-by-thread the offtopic noise it's part of. hereis:
What's weird is that they don't just return a 0-record NOERROR when you
do the follow-up A query, which would be the most logical
On 13-apr-2007, at 21:48, David W. Hankins wrote:
A given ISP may or may not directly communicate with end hosts
using any form of DHCP, but the current broadband ISP models which
are de rigeur would not be salient without DHCPv4 on the end hosts,
even if that is only between the set top box
On 15-Apr-2007, at 06:38, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
With IPv6, there's of course still manual configuration, but PPP is
out because it can't negotiate IPv6 addresses.
I've heard you say this a few times now, but I am also told by
various people in various places that they have
On 15-apr-2007, at 21:35, Joe Abley wrote:
With IPv6, there's of course still manual configuration, but PPP
is out because it can't negotiate IPv6 addresses.
I've heard you say this a few times now, but I am also told by
various people in various places that they have succeeded in
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
With IPv4, PPP IPCP will negotiate a whole bunch of stuff, including
the addresses of both sides of the link. PPP IP6CP only negotiates a
32-bit unique token for each side which can then be used to create
link local addresses.
I'm
When you can plug your computer in, and automatically (with no
clicking) get an IPv6 address,
Router Advertisements let you automatically configure as many IPv6
addresses as you feel like.
have something tell you where your DNS assist servers,
Microsoft had an old expired draft with
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007, Perry Lorier wrote:
configure web proxies,
once you have DNS you can use the WPAD proxy auto discovery thingamabob.
.. and the microsoft extensions to support ipv6 in proxy autoconfiguration
files:
http://blogs.msdn.com/wndp/articles/IPV6_PAC_Extensions_v0_9.aspx
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 11:11:54AM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
I have a Cisco 2500 with software from 1999 and a Windows XP box with
software from 2001, both supporting IPv6, sitting here... I didn't
get my first Mac until 2002, but that one supported IPv6 at that
point, too.
It
On 10-apr-2007, at 18:12, David W. Hankins wrote:
IPv6 has had operating system and router support for years.
I'd have to object with such a blanket statement.
I have a Cisco 2500 with software from 1999 and a Windows XP box with
software from 2001, both supporting IPv6, sitting here...
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 06:15:34PM -0500,
J. Oquendo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
a message of 24 lines which said:
was successfully configured by NASA Glenn Research Center to use
IPsec and IPv6 technologies in space.
Any human on board? Because he would have been able to access useful
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:55 AM
To: J. Oquendo
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: IPv6 Finally gets off the ground
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 06:15:34PM -0500, J. Oquendo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote a message of 24 lines which said:
was successfully configured by NASA Glenn Research Center to use
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 03:54:39PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 06:15:34PM -0500,
J. Oquendo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
a message of 24 lines which said:
was successfully configured by NASA Glenn Research Center to use
IPsec and IPv6 technologies in space.
On Apr 10, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Joseph S D Yao wrote:
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 03:54:39PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 06:15:34PM -0500,
J. Oquendo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
a message of 24 lines which said:
was successfully configured by NASA Glenn Research Center
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 03:54:39PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
IPv6 has had operating system and router support for years.
I'd have to object with such a blanket statement.
I don't think you can say you support IPv6 (from an ISP's point of
view) without DHCPv6, since I don't think anyone
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
The only good thing I can say about this proposal is that 10GB is not
NEARLY enough to get your typical luser to think about changing their
configuration. Therefore, it probably won't have an impact on v6
adoption. (That ghod.)
Nor was it intended to. From what
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 12:10:59PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
...
Second, who said v6 was the heights? ...
My, aren't we serious? Too serious to realize that satellites are a
little higher than I, at least, can reach.
--
Joe Yao
Analex Contractor
On Apr 10, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Joseph S D Yao wrote:
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 12:10:59PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
...
Second, who said v6 was the heights? ...
My, aren't we serious? Too serious to realize that satellites are a
little higher than I, at least, can reach.
Guess I
Yes. Silly of you. I think you may have missed more than the singular
reference.
This back and forth has little to do with morality and more to do
with opinion.
Yet it begs, how moral is an argument of 'my opinion is superior to
your opinion'?
Such a lashing of another's opinion under
On Thursday, 29 March 2007, a Cisco Systems router, flying
in low Earth Orbit onboard the UK-DMC satellite built by
Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd (SSTL), was successfully
configured by NASA Glenn Research Center to use IPsec and
IPv6 technologies in space.
http://www.dmcii.com/news.htm
Its
J. Oquendo wrote:
On Thursday, 29 March 2007, a Cisco Systems router, flying
in low Earth Orbit onboard the UK-DMC satellite built by
Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd (SSTL), was successfully
configured by NASA Glenn Research Center to use IPsec and
IPv6 technologies in space.
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