Re: AW: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-08 Thread Randy Bush
> I certainly don't mind commentary from a European. I just wouldn't > want to hear the same European complaining about the Chinese... yep, those nasty folk at yahoo who ratted to the chinese government are almost as bad as those nasty folk at google who won't rat me out to the us government.

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci
:-> "Mehmet" == Mehmet Akcin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, I can't blame Italy for trying to enforce their laws, but maybe > can give them a better idea. no no, please blame :) > Maybe instead of all those ACLs, other type of Blocks, DNS > removals,etc.. Governments should

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:53:40 + Mehmet Akcin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, I can't blame Italy for trying to enforce their laws, but maybe > can give them a better idea. > > Maybe instead of all those ACLs, other type of Blocks, DNS > removals,etc.. Governments should more go to the d

RE: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Mehmet Akcin
gt; > Neil. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Rodney Joffe > > > Sent: 06 March 2006 19:41 > > > To: NANOG > > > Subject: Italy orders ISPs to block sites >

RE: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
s counter productive to their intentions) > > Neil. > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Rodney Joffe > > Sent: 06 March 2006 19:41 > > To: NANOG > > Subject: Italy orders ISPs to block

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Andre Oppermann
m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rodney Joffe Sent: 06 March 2006 19:41 To: NANOG Subject: Italy orders ISPs to block sites It appears that Italy has ordered Italian ISPs to block access to a number of Internet Gambling sites. It would be interesting to see how

RE: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Neil J. McRae
gt; Subject: Italy orders ISPs to block sites > > > It appears that Italy has ordered Italian ISPs to block > access to a number of Internet Gambling sites. It would be > interesting to see how the Italian ISPs are handling this, > what with dynamic DNS and all that...

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 09:13:21AM +0100, tom wrote: > > Hi Folks across the ocean.. > > I understand, that from an American point of view this kind of restriction > looks strange and is against your act of freedom, however here in Europe > gambling is a state controlled business that supports t

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Owen DeLong wrote: > Singapore seems to force all of their ISPs to send all HTTP requests > through a proxy that has a set of rules defining sites you are not allowed > to visit. or comply in the other manner which is to null route the top 100 sites... but yes.

Re: AW: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Owen DeLong
--On March 7, 2006 8:12:59 AM -0500 "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mar 7, 2006, at 3:56 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: I understand, that from an American point of view this kind of restriction looks strange and is against your act of freedom, however here in Europe gambling i

Re: AW: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Mar 7, 2006, at 3:56 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: I understand, that from an American point of view this kind of restriction looks strange and is against your act of freedom, however here in Europe gambling is a state controlled business that supports the state economy and in most European co

AW: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread tom
Hi folks just one addition..as it was already mentioned where the money is from and where it goes thats "money-washing" and again, this is a criminal act in lots of countries.. do not missunderstand me.. I do not mind gambling and if people wanna do it, let them.. but if their goverment wants to

Re: AW: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Fred Baker
On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:13 AM, tom wrote: I hope you don't mind this commentary from a European... I certainly don't mind commentary from a European. I just wouldn't want to hear the same European complaining about the Chinese... :-)

Re: AW: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Owen DeLong
--On March 7, 2006 9:13:21 AM +0100 tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Folks across the ocean.. I understand, that from an American point of view this kind of restriction looks strange and is against your act of freedom, however here in Europe gambling is a state controlled business that sup

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Owen DeLong
--On March 7, 2006 1:35:05 PM +0530 Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/7/06, Owen DeLong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Singapore seems to force all of their ISPs to send all HTTP requests through a proxy that has a set of rules defining sites you are not allowed to visit.

Re: AW: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Simon Waters
On Tuesday 07 Mar 2006 08:13, you wrote: > > I understand, that from an American point of view this kind of restriction > looks strange and is against your act of freedom, however here in Europe > gambling is a state controlled business that supports the state economy and > in most European countr

Re: AW: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 7-mrt-2006, at 9:13, tom wrote: Hi Folks across the ocean.. I understand, that from an American point of view this kind of restriction looks strange and is against your act of freedom, however here in Europe gambling is a state controlled business It looks strange from the right sid

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread bmanning
pean... > > Tom > > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von > Owen DeLong > Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. März 2006 08:54 > An: Christopher L. Morrow; Marco d'Itri > Cc: NANOG > Betreff: Re: Italy

AW: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread tom
g von Owen DeLong Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. März 2006 08:54 An: Christopher L. Morrow; Marco d'Itri Cc: NANOG Betreff: Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites Singapore seems to force all of their ISPs to send all HTTP requests through a proxy that has a set of rules defining sites you are not allowe

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-07 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 3/7/06, Owen DeLong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Singapore seems to force all of their ISPs to send all HTTP requests > through a proxy that has a set of rules defining sites you are not allowed > to visit. > As does (for example) the UAE, and China. But not Italy. So this is quite moot, I

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-06 Thread Owen DeLong
Singapore seems to force all of their ISPs to send all HTTP requests through a proxy that has a set of rules defining sites you are not allowed to visit. Owen --On March 7, 2006 1:48:39 AM + "Christopher L. Morrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote:

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-06 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > On Mar 06, Rodney Joffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It appears that Italy has ordered Italian ISPs to block access to a > > number of Internet Gambling sites. It would be interesting to see how > > the Italian ISPs are handling this, what with dyn

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 06, Rodney Joffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears that Italy has ordered Italian ISPs to block access to a > number of Internet Gambling sites. It would be interesting to see how > the Italian ISPs are handling this, what with dynamic DNS and all > that... So far, the method o

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-06 Thread Owen DeLong
This just means that there will be an offshore proxy market in the near future. Owen --On March 6, 2006 12:41:24 PM -0700 Rodney Joffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It appears that Italy has ordered Italian ISPs to block access to a > number of Internet Gambling sites. It would be interesting

Re: Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-06 Thread sin
Rodney Joffe wrote: > > It appears that Italy has ordered Italian ISPs to block access to a > number of Internet Gambling sites. It would be interesting to see how > the Italian ISPs are handling this, what with dynamic DNS and all that... > where is the world going to ? what's next: banning of

Italy orders ISPs to block sites

2006-03-06 Thread Rodney Joffe
It appears that Italy has ordered Italian ISPs to block access to a number of Internet Gambling sites. It would be interesting to see how the Italian ISPs are handling this, what with dynamic DNS and all that... From Monsters and Critics.com Tech News Italy bans unauthorised online gamb