c: Adam Rothschild; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: "Leaky Coax" [was: London incidents]
>
>
> Matt Ghali wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Adam Rothschild wrote:
> >
> > As I understand it, cellular service in the tunnels is provided by
> >
Matt Ghali wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Adam Rothschild wrote:
As I understand it, cellular service in the tunnels is provided by
cells co-located in the Weehawken, NJ and New York City, NY vent
buildings, with "leaky coax" cable shared by all carriers running
inside the tubes.
I was in
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Adam Rothschild wrote:
As I understand it, cellular service in the tunnels is provided by
cells co-located in the Weehawken, NJ and New York City, NY vent
buildings, with "leaky coax" cable shared by all carriers running
inside the tubes.
I was intrigued by the conce
> UK Government officials deny they shutdown any cell phone service.
And they are correct.
There was no shutdown of the mobile phone networks during or after the
incidents.
There was a request to give priority to emergency services and/or to limit
cell site logins so that capacity was always
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 00:19 -0400, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> Indeed it does, but I have to question whether the cellphone decision
> was well-thought-out. I really can't believe it was.
Are spontaneous "moments notice" decisions ever well-thought-out? Take
this scenario away from terrorism and a
> So you "jumped into this cat fight"
by "speculating" on something
> when you had an authoritative source with good, specific information.
Let's look at a different source of different information
on the same theme.
It is undeniable that London Transport shut down the
entire
underground netw
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Steve Sobol
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:25 PM
> To: North American Networking & Offtopic Gripes
> Subject: Re: London incidents
>
>
>
> Jim Popovitch wrote:
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 06:11:09PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:26:33 +1200, Mark Foster said:
> > "Using phone company records, researchers assessed phone use immediately
> > before the crash.
> > They found a third of calls in the 10 minutes before the crash were made
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Donelan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:50 PM
> To: Hannigan, Martin
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: RE: London incidents
>
>
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> > > All this
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Jim Popovitch wrote:
>
> --- "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > No, it's damned if you take stupid action, damned if you do not do
> > something you should.
> >
> > People in charge of our security should not be allowed to take
> > whatever action
On 7/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > They found a third of calls in the 10 minutes before the crash were made on
> > cellphones.
> And the *other* 2/3rd of the calls were made on what, exactly?
>
> A land line just before departure, followed by a crash less than 10 minute
On Jul 12, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Crist Clark wrote:
As for the "inattentive-risky driver" and "agitated driver"
theories, the
researchers took (tried to take) this into acount by using a case-
crossover
design whereby individual drivers are their own control.
The drivers are "their own control
Jim Popovitch wrote:
I think the world has shown that cellphones have been used over and over
to detonate explosive devices. Why wait for it to be proved again
before doing something? AFAIK "Emergency Only" mode allows for 911
calls,
And means nothing if power is cut to the cell sites and
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Valdis.Kletni
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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>On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:26:33 +1200, Mark Foster said:
>
>> "Using phone company records, researchers assessed phone use immediately
>> before the cra
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:26:33 +1200, Mark Foster said:
"Using phone company records, researchers assessed phone use immediately
before the crash.
They found a third of calls in the 10 minutes before the crash were made on
cellphones.
And the *other* 2/3rd of the cal
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:26:33 +1200, Mark Foster said:
> "Using phone company records, researchers assessed phone use immediately
> before the crash.
> They found a third of calls in the 10 minutes before the crash were made on
> cellphones.
And the *other* 2/3rd of the calls were made on what, ex
Mark Foster wrote:
"Using phone company records, researchers assessed phone use immediately
before the crash.
There are 3 kinds of lies:
lies
damn lies
statistics
They found a third of calls in the 10 minutes before the crash were made on
cellphones. This was assoc
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>I think the world has shown that cellphones have been used over and over
>>to detonate explosive devices. Why wait for it to be proved again
>>before doing something?
>
>
> The logical conclusion to that line of thought w
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 09:26:33AM +1200, Mark Foster wrote:
> > Shutting down the networks just because they can be used to trigger a
> > bomb is asinine, though, yes.
>
> Its the first step toward the Police State mentality that I fear is going to
> develop over time.
> And damned if I know wha
- Original Message -
From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: London incidents
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 12:34:32PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> > The problem with mobile p
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 12:34:32PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> The problem with mobile phones in the car has less to do with
> taking a person's hand off the wheel (although that is something to
> be concerned about), and more to do with the fact that the driver is
> distracted by talkin
"I'm with stupid."
;-)
- ferg
-- Todd Vierling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> >Since the news this morning reported that service had been restored,
> >one could assume it had been turned off.
>
> Partially restored: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/0
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> >Since the news this morning reported that service had been restored,
> >one could assume it had been turned off.
>
> Partially restored: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/12/nyregion/12cell.html
And as is commonplace with this kind of gross technolo
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott W Brim writes:
>
>On 07/12/2005 13:51 PM, Adam Rothschild allegedly wrote:
>
>> Since the vent buildings are owned operated by the
>> NY/NJ Port Authority, it seems conceivable they could have pulled the
>> power if they wanted to. Whether or not they did is
--- "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was not speculating. From the post:
>
> > Then we have this:
> > http://us.cnn.com/2005/US/07/11/tunnels.cell.phones.ap/index.html
> >
> > "The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs area
> > transit hubs, bridges and
On 07/12/2005 13:51 PM, Adam Rothschild allegedly wrote:
> Since the vent buildings are owned operated by the
> NY/NJ Port Authority, it seems conceivable they could have pulled the
> power if they wanted to. Whether or not they did is best left as an
> exercise for the nanog-l army of political
On 2005-07-12-12:56:42, Jim Popovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As for the "Emergency Only" mode, the original poster said _power was
> > cut_ to the repeaters. Could you explain to me how this allows for
> > 911 calls please?
>
> The original poster quoted a news report, how may times
On Jul 12, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote:
Billions of dollars, millions of person-hours, and more frustration
than I can quantify is not a good price to pay for the infinitesimal
increase in security (if any) we have received through decisions like
this one.
How can you accurately k
Francesco Usseglio Gaudi wrote:
My little experience is that cell phones are in the most of cases
nearly congenstion: a simple crow of people calling all together can
shut down or delay every calls and sms
GSM networks running TFR or EFR audio codecs have 8 timeslots on a cell.
Usual 900M
--- "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No, it's damned if you take stupid action, damned if you do not do
> something you should.
>
> People in charge of our security should not be allowed to take
> whatever action comes to mind in the name of security.
Then who should, a
On Jul 12, 2005, at 6:16 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote:
On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 19:20 +0930, Mark Newton wrote:
There's been -nothing- from the Brits to say that cellphones were
involved in their explosions; And DHS says they haven't made any
recommendations one way or the other; And there's no rea
> The logical conclusion to that line of thought would seem to
> be that all cell phone services should be turned off in all
> densely populated areas. Is this really what we want?
>
> (It's certainly not what *I* want.)
Not sure about that, a life with no mobile phones? It certainly
has its
My little experience is that cell phones are in the most of cases nearly
congenstion: a simple crow of people calling all together can shut down
or delay every calls and sms
Francesco
An entity claiming to be Joseph S D Yao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
:
: On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 08:49:47PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
: > On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
: > > > All this while I was trying unsuccessfully to use my
: > > > mobile to ring the office.
: > >
: > > Some cel
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 08:49:47PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> > > All this while I was trying unsuccessfully to use my
> > > mobile to ring the office.
> >
> > Some cell relays were temporarily shut to prevent a remote
> > detonation of additional e
> http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,39024665,39150177,00.htm
> has what Sean was referring to.
> >> UK Government officials deny they shutdown any cell phone
service.
In London, the mobile operators do not provide any
service
anywhere in the London underground network. The only
place
that I
> I think the world has shown that cellphones have been used over and over
> to detonate explosive devices.
They can go back to alarm clocks with big bells.
The point is people are only inconveniencing themselves in accepting
such knee jerk responses in the name of fighting terrorists. The
terro
At 6:16 AM -0400 2005-07-12, Jim Popovitch wrote:
I think the world has shown that cellphones have been used over and over
to detonate explosive devices. Why wait for it to be proved again
before doing something?
What do you suggest? Eliminating the entire mobile telephone indust
> I think the world has shown that cellphones have been used over and over
> to detonate explosive devices. Why wait for it to be proved again
> before doing something?
The logical conclusion to that line of thought would seem to be that
all cell phone services should be turned off in all densel
On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 19:20 +0930, Mark Newton wrote:
> There's been -nothing- from the Brits to say that cellphones were
> involved in their explosions; And DHS says they haven't made any
> recommendations one way or the other; And there's no reason to
> believe that the threat to the New York
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 10:57:55PM -0400, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Nash writes:
> >Would the folks posting news related events please footnote source URLS,
> >especially if arguing over factual details?
>
> http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,390246
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Nash writ
es:
>
>
>Would the folks posting news related events please footnote source URLS,
>especially if arguing over factual details?
http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,39024665,39150177,00.htm
has what Sean was referring to.
>- billn
>
>On Mon, 11 Ju
Would the folks posting news related events please footnote source URLS,
especially if arguing over factual details?
Thanks.
- billn
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
All this while I was trying unsuccessfully to use my
mobile to ring
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> > All this while I was trying unsuccessfully to use my
> > mobile to ring the office.
>
> Some cell relays were temporarily shut to prevent a remote
> detonation of additional explosives. Cellular remotes seem
> to be a favorite of Al Qaeda and others
>
> All this while I was trying unsuccessfully to use my
> mobile to ring the office.
Some cell relays were temporarily shut to prevent a remote
detonation of additional explosives. Cellular remotes seem
to be a favorite of Al Qaeda and others.
-M<
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 12:31:35PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It was an interesting experience which seems to show that
> it is better to have several completely different communications
> channels to choose from. In my case I had lost landline and
> DSL Internet access due to moving house,
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 12:16:34PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> I don't know the specifics of how much capacity is reserved, but
> this sort of thing has been done on telecommunications networks for a
> long time. Back before cell phones existed, you could have "flash"
> traffic on the D
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 09:21:24AM -0400, Robert E. Seastrom allegedly wrote:
> Yes, but nobody ever wrote a song about the TOS bits in Internet
> Protocol (this song dates to 1980):
>
> http://www.poppyfields.net/filks/00182.html
If anyone has the words to "Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory of the
Arc
"Steven M. Bellovin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Robert E.Seastrom" writes:
>>Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> There were lower levels of priority that you could also use,
>>> but "flash" was the top one that I heard about.
>>
>>The four butt
On 11-jul-2005, at 13:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A hospital using up "emergency mode" GSM capacity doesn't make much
sense to me.
This was just a guess on my part because the congestion
in this suburban area lasted well into the evening.
Could be lots of things. Maybe it was really the h
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Robert E.Seastrom" writes:
>
>
>Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> There were lower levels of priority that you could also use,
>> but "flash" was the top one that I heard about.
>
>The four buttons on the "1633" row of an AUTOVON telephone are labe
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Subject
Re: London incidents
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Gadi Evron wrote:
> I wonder, has anyone ever prepared a best practices paper of some
sort
> as to what can be expected in cases of big emergencies and mass
> hysteria
Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There were lower levels of priority that you could also use,
> but "flash" was the top one that I heard about.
The four buttons on the "1633" row of an AUTOVON telephone are labeled
P, I, F, and FO for Priority, Immediate, Flash, and Flash-Overri
> A hospital using up "emergency mode" GSM capacity doesn't make much
> sense to me. You're not supposed to use cell phones in many places in
> hospitals, and the ones that I've seen have an ample supply of fixed
> lines that are cheaper, more reliable and pose less risk of
> interference with
> Some of the problems on the mobile networks were the result
> of a protocol to reserve mobile capabilities for the
> emergency services. The police have the authority to switch
> cells to emergency service and then people with specially
> registered SIM cards in their mobile can take priorit
On 11-jul-2005, at 11:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had moved the weekend before and my landline was not
yet installed. Also, I live near a large hospital. I noticed
that my mobile didn't function at all even late on Thursday
unless I left home and travelled a kilometer or two from
the hospita
At 10:40 AM +0100 2005-07-11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some of the problems on the mobile networks were the
result of a protocol to reserve mobile capabilities for
the emergency services. The police have the authority to
switch cells to emergency service and then people with
specially regi
> Mobile networks in particular have been put under
> pressure as people use their phones to contact friends
> and family following the explosions.
Luckily, I was 10 minutes late leaving home otherwise
I could very well have been on that first train which
was attacked near Aldgate. When the Centr
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Gadi Evron wrote:
> I wonder, has anyone ever prepared a best practices paper of some sort
> as to what can be expected in cases of big emergencies and mass
> hysteria, for networks?
Yes, there have been several studies and papers about what happens to
networks during public e
Neil J. McRae wrote:
A number of explosion incidents have happened in London affecting
the tube causing website and mobile phone saturation and some
localised issues with the PSTN. From here we are able to route
calls ok and networks seems a little busier, The BBC and Sky TV
websites are very
Our thoughts and prayers are with everyone in London.
with regard to telecommunications services, Tim
Richardson writes in The Register:
[snip]
Phone networks have been jammed today following a
series of blasts that hit London's public transport
network this morning.
Mobile networks in partic
Mobile networks have been switched in to emergency services only owing
to congestion and concern that devices may be activated by mobile.
However the cause of some of the these incidents is still not clear.
At 11:13 AM +0100 2005-07-07, Neil J. McRae wrote:
A number of explosion incidents have happened in London affecting
the tube causing website and mobile phone saturation and some
localised issues with the PSTN. From here we are able to route
calls ok and networks seems a little busier, The
A number of explosion incidents have happened in London affecting
the tube causing website and mobile phone saturation and some
localised issues with the PSTN. From here we are able to route
calls ok and networks seems a little busier, The BBC and Sky TV
websites are very busy.
Regards,
Neil.
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