Re: Market for diversity

2007-08-27 Thread Bill Stewart
On 8/26/07, Jason LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > More on point for this thread, I always have new vendors bring in fiber > maps and show me their paths. Images of the intended path specified on > the map are part of the contract, including verbage regarding failover > paths. Once I know wh

Re: Market for diversity

2007-08-26 Thread Deepak Jain
Jason LeBlanc wrote: I agree with this, and many people take the Ts & Cs, MSA, etc the vendor anyway. We have a standing habit of reading over our new contracts with our attorney on a con call, we always edit them, send them back to the vendor and negotiate on any changes. Its amazing ho

Re: Market for diversity

2007-08-26 Thread Jason LeBlanc
I agree with this, and many people take the Ts & Cs, MSA, etc the vendor anyway. We have a standing habit of reading over our new contracts with our attorney on a con call, we always edit them, send them back to the vendor and negotiate on any changes. Its amazing how much you can get thing

Re: Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion)

2007-08-25 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007, Andy Davidson wrote: Is it not possible to require that each of your suppliers provide over a specified path ? I'm planning a build-out that will require a diverse path between two points, and one supplier has named two routes, and promised that they wont change for the d

Re: Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion)

2007-08-25 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007, Andy Davidson wrote: Is it not possible to require that each of your suppliers provide over a specified path ? I'm planning a build-out that will require a diverse path between two points, and one supplier has named two routes, and promised that they wont change for the

Re: Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion)

2007-08-25 Thread Andy Davidson
Hi, David, everyone -- On 21 Aug 2007, at 17:55, David Lesher wrote: And still not getting it. A friend oversees various expensive USG networks. They pay for physically diverse routing from multiple sources. Yet every year, when they do an laborious audit down to the "what fiber, in what bund

Re: Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion)

2007-08-21 Thread Deepak Jain
It's inevitable given buying throughput is rather like moving something by ship. You never go to the ship [fiber] owner; you go to a freight broker who deals with a consolidator who calls an agent who knows who has chartered ships from A to B on DATE and This may also have something to do

Re: Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion)

2007-08-21 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Aug 21, 2007, at 12:55 PM, David Lesher wrote: Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: On Tue, 21 Aug 2007, Adrian Chadd wrote: Or there might suddenly be a reason/market for properly physically diverse paths which provide partial 1:1 (ie, some services are guarant

Re: Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion)

2007-08-21 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2007, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > Or there might suddenly be a reason/market for properly physically diverse > > paths which provide partial 1:1 (ie, some services are guaranteed full > > backup > > bandwidth, other se