Re: PAIX Outages

2005-04-29 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Alexander Koch wrote: > On Fri, 29 April 2005 13:04:05 +0100, Neil J. McRae wrote: > > > and we happily overloaded our peers' interfaces at the respective other > > > IX... > > > > That sounds more like a planning issue than anything else. If you have > > traffic going throu

RE: PAIX Outages

2005-04-29 Thread Neil J. McRae
> With public peering you simply never know how much spare > capacity your peer has free. So with your key peers you talk to them and find out, but I don't see how this is any different if you have a private interconnect. Just because you have say a STM-1 into another peer doesn't mean they ha

Re: PAIX Outages

2005-04-29 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> > > With public peering you simply never know how much spare > > > capacity your peer has free. > > > > So? That doesn't make public peering bad, you don't know that > > for PI or transit either > > For PI I know how much spare I have towards them, taking for > granted they can move the traffi

Re: PAIX Outages

2005-04-29 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 02:08:13PM +0200, Alexander Koch wrote: > With public peering you simply never know how much spare > capacity your peer has free. You also never know with private peering: Backbone links. Regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Re: PAIX Outages

2005-04-29 Thread Alexander Koch
On Fri, 29 April 2005 13:24:06 +0100, Brandon Butterworth wrote: > > With public peering you simply never know how much spare > > capacity your peer has free. > > So? That doesn't make public peering bad, you don't know that > for PI or transit either For PI I know how much spare I have towards

Re: PAIX Outages

2005-04-29 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> With public peering you simply never know how much spare > capacity your peer has free. So? That doesn't make public peering bad, you don't know that for PI or transit either > And would you expect your > peer with 400 Mbit/s total to have 400 reserved on his AMSIX > port for you when you see

Re: PAIX Outages

2005-04-29 Thread Alexander Koch
On Fri, 29 April 2005 13:04:05 +0100, Neil J. McRae wrote: > > and we > > happily overloaded our peers' interfaces at the respective > > other IX... > > That sounds more like a planning issue than anything else. If you > have traffic going through a pipe, then you need to make sure you have >

RE: PAIX Outages

2005-04-29 Thread Neil J. McRae
> and we > happily overloaded our peers' interfaces at the respective > other IX... That sounds more like a planning issue than anything else. If you have traffic going through a pipe, then you need to make sure you have somewhere else to send it. If you are managing your peers properly, priva

RE: PAIX Outages

2005-04-28 Thread Huopio Kauto
> From: Alexander Koch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [..] > As another matter I do not believe in public peering at all > when you have flows to a single peer that are ore than half > of a full GE. Been there, was not at all nice. I guess more > and more operators will have less and less public IX po

Re: PAIX Outages

2005-04-28 Thread Alexander Koch
On Thu, 28 April 2005 18:57:53 -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > At the moment, the US IX's largely price their ports as high as the market > will possibly bear (and then sometimes a few bucks more just as a kick in > the teeth) Yeah, what's the issue? US public peering ports are absurdly o

Re: PAIX Outages

2005-04-28 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 02:11:40PM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 01:51:54PM -0400, Richard A > Steenbergen wrote: > > Personally I tend to suspect the general lack of uproar is a rather > > unfortunate (for them) sign that PAIX is no longer relevant wh

Re: PAIX Outages

2005-04-28 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 01:51:54PM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > Personally I tend to suspect the general lack of uproar is a rather > unfortunate (for them) sign that PAIX is no longer relevant when it comes > to critical backbone infrastructures. I'm not so sure you can draw t

Re: PAIX Outages

2005-04-28 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 01:51:54PM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > Personally I tend to suspect the general lack of uproar is a rather > unfortunate (for them) sign that PAIX is no longer relevant when it comes > to critical backbone infrastructures. That, or a sign t

Re: PAIX Outages

2005-04-28 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Apr 27, 2005 at 10:45:15AM -0400, Jay Patel wrote: > > I have heard rumors that S&D has been having persistent switch > problems with their switches at PAIX (Palo Alto), and I was kind of > wondering if anyone actually cared? Personally I tend to suspect the general lack of uproar is a r

Re: PAIX Outages

2005-04-27 Thread Randy Bush
> I have heard rumors that S&D has been having persistent switch > problems with their switches at PAIX (Palo Alto), and I was kind of > wondering if anyone actually cared? well, they've sure been having fun up at the six in seattle randy

PAIX Outages

2005-04-27 Thread Jay Patel
I have heard rumors that S&D has been having persistent switch problems with their switches at PAIX (Palo Alto), and I was kind of wondering if anyone actually cared?