Re: Death of IPv6 Site-Local (was Re: Private port numbers?)

2003-08-14 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
The IETF IPNG WG home page can be found at: http://playground.sun.com/ipng The decision regarding site-local was made during the San Francisco IETF meeting and then later confirmed on the mailing lists although there has been quite some debate over it all since then

Death of IPv6 Site-Local (was Re: Private port numbers?)

2003-08-14 Thread Crist Clark
Mans Nilsson wrote: > > Subject: Re: Private port numbers? Date: Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 11:41:25AM -0700 > Quoting Crist Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > > Lars Higham wrote: > > > > > > It's a good idea, granted, but isn't this covered by IPv6

Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
Be damned if you filter, be damned if you don't. Nice choice. I think it's time that we set aside a range of port numbers for private use. That makes all those services that have no business escaping out in the open extremely easy to filter, while at the same time not impacting any legitimate u

Re: Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread Crist Clark
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > Be damned if you filter, be damned if you don't. Nice choice. > > I think it's time that we set aside a range of port numbers for private > use. That makes all those services that have no business escaping out > in the open extremely easy to filter, while at the s

Re: Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread Mans Nilsson
Subject: Re: Private port numbers? Date: Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 11:41:25AM -0700 Quoting Crist Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Lars Higham wrote: > > > > It's a good idea, granted, but isn't this covered by IPv6 administrative > > scoping? > > That'

Re: Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Crist Clark wrote: > > Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > > > Be damned if you filter, be damned if you don't. Nice choice. > > > > I think it's time that we set aside a range of port numbers for private > > use. That makes all those services that have no business escaping out

Re: Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread David G. Andersen
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 10:40:30PM +, Christopher L. Morrow quacked: > > what about ports that start as 'private' and are eventually ubiquitously > used on a public network? (Sean Donelan noted that 137->139 were > originally intended to be used in private networks... and they became > 'publi

RE: Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread Lars Higham
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Private port numbers? On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 10:40:30PM +, Christopher L. Morrow quacked: > > what about ports that start as 'private' and are eventually > ubiquitously used on a public network? (Sean Donelan noted that > 137->139 wer

Re: Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Crist Clark wrote: > > Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > > > Be damned if you filter, be damned if you don't. Nice choice. > > > > I think it's time that we set aside a range of port numbers for private > > use. That makes all those services that have no business escaping ou

Re: Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread Crist Clark
Lars Higham wrote: > > It's a good idea, granted, but isn't this covered by IPv6 administrative > scoping? That's the network layer, not the transport layer. IPv6 scoping has the potential to be very helpful for private addressing since it's fundamentally built into the protocol, as opposed to

Re: Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, aug 13, 2003, at 21:38 Europe/Amsterdam, Crist Clark wrote: Cool. So if you use private ports, you'll be totally protected from the Internet nasties (and the Internet protected from your broken or malicious traffic) in the same way RFC1918 addressing does the exact same thing now at

Re: Private port numbers?

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > It's not the same thing. RFC 1918 and martian addresses aren't supposed > to be present on the internet, but aren't automatically harmful. Having > services that are explicitly labeled for internal use be visible to the > rest of the world is p