@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Cogent Router dropping packets
Cogent frequently have routing and packet loss issues. I can't imagine
VoIP over their network is all that appealing to most people. Last time
I used Cogent I had a problem approx. every month, and I purchased
transit from them.
Good luck
Cogent frequently have routing and packet loss issues. I can't imagine
VoIP over their network is all that appealing to most people. Last time
I used Cogent I had a problem approx. every month, and I purchased
transit from them.
Good luck :-)
Mike Fedyk wrote:
Thank you, the issue seems to
To: Ryan Harden
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Cogent Router dropping packets
Thank you, the issue seems to be fixed now at Cogent.
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Harden
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To: Mike Fedyk
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Cogent Router dropping packets
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Just spoke to cogent about another issue, said they only know about issues
i
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Just spoke to cogent about another issue, said they only know about
issues in Los Angeles. Nevertheless, 877.726.4386 or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/Ryan
Mike Fedyk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Some of our VoIP customers are experiencing issues using our service and it
,
>
> Cogent reset their BGP with Global Crossing and seems to be back up now.
> Waiting for detailed follow up.
>
> Andre
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:36 AM
> To: Andre Reid
&g
Thanks Marshall,
Cogent reset their BGP with Global Crossing and seems to be back up now.
Waiting for detailed follow up.
Andre
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From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:36 AM
To: Andre Reid
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re
Not at Switch and Data, Tyco Road, Tysons Corner.
Regards
Marshall
On Feb 10, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Andre Reid wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone having issues with Cogent right now?
I'm seeing problems in DC area, opening a ticket with them right now.
Thx,
Andre
Andre Reid
617/904-5018
[EMAIL PROTECTE
Wow, pasted the wrong traceroute AND hit send instead of delete. It's
another great day around here. More caffeine, stat
Sprint EVDO network still seems flaky from here, but I'm waiting for one of
my more technical users to get online for troubleshooting purposes. The
duke-energy.com IP is re
> Cogent is experiencing two problems right now. Their automated message reports
> that they have a backbone problem causing latency, but they also seem to be
> experiencing peering problems with Sprint.
There may be some internal problems on the Sprint network; I'm unable to hit
www.duke-energy.
We shut off Cogent around 9:00 because of routing issues to Telia and other
parts of the Net.
>From http://status.cogentco.com
**
** Cogent Network Status Report Last Updated Wed Oct 10 10:55:40 2007 **
it.edu
cc
Subject
Re: Cogent peering issues with Sprint
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 11:00:13AM -0400, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
> Are you sure that this is not in Sprint, or even Duke Energy ?
>
> I can't ping to 192.234.122.137 from either home or work, and I don't
> see
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 09:38:42AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Cogent is experiencing two problems right now. Their automated message
> reports that they have a backbone problem causing latency, but they also
> seem to be experiencing peering problems with Sprint.
We're seeing very simil
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 11:00:13AM -0400, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
> Are you sure that this is not in Sprint, or even Duke Energy ?
>
> I can't ping to 192.234.122.137 from either home or work, and I don't
> see any signs of Cogent problems
> from Tyco Road / Tysons Corner.
It would seem that t
On Oct 10, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Basil Kruglov wrote:
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 09:38:42AM -0500,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cogent is experiencing two problems right now. Their automated
message
reports that they have a backbone problem causing latency, but
they also
seem to be experiencing
On Oct 10, 2007, at 10:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cogent is experiencing two problems right now. Their automated
message reports that they have a backbone problem causing latency,
but they also seem to be experiencing peering problems with Sprint.
Are you sure that this is not in
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 09:38:42AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Cogent is experiencing two problems right now. Their automated message
> reports that they have a backbone problem causing latency, but they also
> seem to be experiencing peering problems with Sprint.
>
> 2 g1-0.core01.ord
> It's quite ironic and they (Cogent) are quite contradicting themselves.
> When their CEO, Dave Schaffer comes out to media and bashes Level3, France
> Telecom, AOL, etc (the list goes on), citing "Cogent is being unfairly
> treated", each and every time Cogent gets depeered, you would think Coge
>
> Maybe they depeered themselves. They seem to be on a roll!
It's quite ironic and they (Cogent) are quite contradicting themselves.
When their CEO, Dave Schaffer comes out to media and bashes Level3, France
Telecom, AOL, etc (the list goes on), citing "Cogent is being unfairly
treated", each
No problem here...
computer:~ hexstar$ traceroute 208.70.27.35
traceroute to 208.70.27.35 (208.70.27.35), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 10.0.1.1 (10.0.1.1) 2.672 ms 1.937 ms 1.730 ms
2 * * *
3 ge-2-8-ur01.oakland.ca.sfba.comcast.net (68.86.249.113) 11.590 ms
11.371 ms 15.132 ms
4 te0
http://www.e-gerbil.net/cogent-t1r looks like they're playing the
depeering games again.
E
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Mike Lyon
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: C
The archive.org/Cogent stuff was an issue specific to archive.org's
connection to Cogent.
Jim Shankland
Maybe they depeered themselves. They seem to be on a roll!
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Mike Lyon
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:39 PM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: Cogent issues in SF area?
>
>
> Anyone else seeing it?
>
> BGP
CNN and www.archive.org were the two sites I couldn't get to...
-Mike
On 9/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> We're seeing very poor performance on Cogent in Chicago to major sites
> such as CNN and Salon. Traceroutes indicate packets dropping inside Cogent's
> network and
We're seeing very poor performance on Cogent in Chicago to major sites
such as CNN and Salon. Traceroutes indicate packets dropping inside
Cogent's network and at their handoff to at atdn.net. Opened a ticket with
Cogent around 10am Central, haven't heard from anybody since.
Not necessarily rel
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Mike Lyon wrote:
> Anyone else seeing it?
>
> BGP_Level3>traceroute 208.70.27.35
>
> Type escape sequence to abort.
> Tracing the route to 208.70.27.35
>
> 1 4.79.220.77 0 msec 4 msec 0 msec
> 2 4.68.123.30 [AS 3356] 8 msec 0 msec 4 msec
> 3
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007, Andy Davidson wrote:
Is it not possible to require that each of your suppliers provide over a
specified path ? I'm planning a build-out that will require a diverse path
between two points, and one supplier has named two routes, and promised that
they wont change for the d
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007, Andy Davidson wrote:
Is it not possible to require that each of your suppliers provide over a
specified path ? I'm planning a build-out that will require a diverse path
between two points, and one supplier has named two routes, and promised that
they wont change for the
Hi, David, everyone --
On 21 Aug 2007, at 17:55, David Lesher wrote:
And still not getting it. A friend oversees various expensive USG
networks. They pay for physically diverse routing from multiple
sources. Yet every year, when they do an laborious audit down to
the "what fiber, in what bund
At 03:49 AM 8/22/2007, Security Admin (NetSec) wrote:
Pardon my forwardness, but don't people just multi-home these days? If your
Multihoming is great for when there is a total outage. In the case
of Cogent on Monday, it wasnt "down"... In this case, there is only
so much you can do to in
Pardon my forwardness, but don't people just multi-home these days? If your
network connection is that mission critical, then having at least two providers
would be prudent. Keep Cogent for el cheapo/variable latency connection, but
have a reliable second and/or third source (i.e. Sprint, UUN
It's inevitable given buying throughput is rather like moving
something by ship. You never go to the ship [fiber] owner; you
go to a freight broker who deals with a consolidator who calls an
agent who knows who has chartered ships from A to B on DATE and
This may also have something to do
On Aug 21, 2007, at 12:55 PM, David Lesher wrote:
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007, Adrian Chadd wrote:
Or there might suddenly be a reason/market for properly
physically diverse
paths which provide partial 1:1 (ie, some services are guarant
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> > Or there might suddenly be a reason/market for properly physically diverse
> > paths which provide partial 1:1 (ie, some services are guaranteed full
> > backup
> > bandwidth, other se
At 05:43 PM 8/20/2007, Steve Gibbard wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Mike Tancsa wrote:
Bell uses Cogent in a large way. The second traceroute was from an
IP in their AS (577) out. I am prepending out Cogent, but Bell
does everything it can not to use Teleglobe so I am having problems
influen
I see Cogent has updated their page - so we think this cut is fixed now?
Eric Spaeth wrote:
This appears to be affecting Telia as well. Here was their last update:
"Concerning the cable break near Cleveland we have been informed that
the cables have been intentionally sabotaged. The pr
Deepak Jain wrote:
That said, Cogent's page says nothing about sabotage
(status.cogentco.com) and I can't find the reference on teliasonera's
page Link please?
The updates I received from Telia have only been verbal, but they
indicated that an entire span of fiber would need to be replac
> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:17:21 -0400
> From: Deepak Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > If someone sabotages a rail to stop a train and the derailment takes out
> > the fiber that is buried in the right-of-way, is that unintentional
> > sabotage? At least of the fiber?
>
> That's not sabotage at al
If someone sabotages a rail to stop a train and the derailment takes out
the fiber that is buried in the right-of-way, is that unintentional
sabotage? At least of the fiber?
That's not sabotage at all.
As it relates to the fiber, its not "deliberately and maliciously
destroying [fiber]"... u
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Deepak Jain wrote:
Sounds like a DHS/FBI investigation will be starting soon.
Eesh.. if we start having to secure 500,000 route miles of fiber routes
against sabotage, um... well, I guess I'll have to become a fiber
installation contractor. :)
That and carriers will ha
> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:25:12 +0100
> From: "Rod Beck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> As opposed to 'unintentionally sabotaged'? I think there is some
> redundancy there ...
>
> Sorry for the cheap shot, it was just too tempting.
>
> Roderick S. Beck
> Director of EMEA
Eric Spaeth wrote:
This appears to be affecting Telia as well. Here was their last update:
"Concerning the cable break near Cleveland we have been informed that
the cables have been intentionally sabotaged. The provider informed that
they need to change the whole damaged fibre part and t
7 11:06 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Cogent latency / congestion
This appears to be affecting Telia as well. Here was their last update:
"Concerning the cable break near Cleveland we have been informed that
the cables have been intentionally sabotaged. The provider informed that
they
This appears to be affecting Telia as well. Here was their last update:
"Concerning the cable break near Cleveland we have been informed that
the cables have been intentionally sabotaged. The provider informed that
they need to change the whole damaged fibre part and that is 3600 feet.
Fibr
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Mike Tancsa wrote:
Bell uses Cogent in a large way. The second traceroute was from an IP in
their AS (577) out. I am prepending out Cogent, but Bell does everything it
can not to use Teleglobe so I am having problems influencing their routes to
come back that way. They
> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:11:44 -0400
> From: Mike Tancsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> At 03:54 PM 8/20/2007, Dan Armstrong wrote:
> >We're going crazy up here, I'm trying to nail down where exactly the
> >problem is - We don't use Cogent anywhere, but we're having ter
At 03:54 PM 8/20/2007, Dan Armstrong wrote:
We're going crazy up here, I'm trying to nail down where exactly the
problem is - We don't use Cogent anywhere, but we're having terrible
problems with Bell and many sites in Europe...
Bell uses Cogent in a large way. The second traceroute was from
On 8/20/07, Robert Bonomi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> No details, but I've seen reports of 100+ms between S.F. and L.A. on
> Cogent, as well.
>
>
hexstars-computer:~ hexstar$ traceroute status.cogentco.com
traceroute to status.cogentco.com (38.9.51.60), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 1
Cogent is reporting a fiber cut in ohio. http://status.cogentco.com
-Zak
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From: "Robert Bonomi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Cogent latency / congestion
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:21:38 -0400
To:
We're going crazy up here, I'm trying to nail down where exactly the
problem is - We don't use Cogent anywhere, but we're having terrible
problems with Bell and many sites in Europe...
Mike Tancsa wrote:
Does anyone have any details about the Cogent outage that started this
morning (9a
> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:21:38 -0400
> From: Mike Tancsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any details about the Cogent outage that started
> this morning (9am GMT-400) and is still continuing ? If its a fibre
> cut between Montville (NJ?) and Clevel
Yes, their status page is not accurate. We're seeing traffic hitting
the bitbucket at various locations on their network including Dallas
(IAH) and Ashburn (IAD). It's be nice if they pulled their routes for
this stuff.
For example:
traceroute to grouse.dabbledb.com (64.15.129.72), 64 hop
> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:21:38 -0400
> To: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Cogent latency / congestion
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any details about the Cogent outage that started
> this morning (9am GMT-400) and is still continuing ? If its a fibre
> cut between Montville (NJ?) and Cleveland OH
Not seeing any Cogent problems in Tyson's Corner, Virginia
Regards
Marshall
On Aug 20, 2007, at 3:21 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
Does anyone have any details about the Cogent outage that started
this morning (9am GMT-400) and is still continuing ? If its a
fibre cut between Montville (NJ?)
My Gig-E Cogent link (Tyco Rd, Vienna Virginia) seems to be fine now.
There was scheduled maintenance 3:00 AM - 7:00 AM, followed by a lot
of ~ 5 second drops of packet transit. Haven't had any issues since ~
9:00 AM EDT.
Regards
Marshall
On Jul 27, 2007, at 11:10 AM, David Coulson wrote
It still says 11:00am
*looks at watch*
Matt Liotta wrote:
They have been updating that ETR every 40 minutes. The first ETR was
supposed to be 9:30.
-Matt
Mills, Charles wrote:
Just saw an ETR of 11:00AM EDT from http://status.cogentco.com
Chuck
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They have been updating that ETR every 40 minutes. The first ETR was
supposed to be 9:30.
-Matt
Mills, Charles wrote:
Just saw an ETR of 11:00AM EDT from http://status.cogentco.com
Chuck
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Scott Francis
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 11:10 -0400, David Coulson wrote:
> It still says 11:00am
>
> *looks at watch*
could you possibly be looking at cached data? I see no current problems
listed at http://status.cogentco.com (last updated at 11:10 EDT)
-Jim P.
Just saw an ETR of 11:00AM EDT from http://status.cogentco.com
Chuck
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Scott Francis
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 10:40 AM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Cogent outage details?
am receiving word that Cogent ha
Keith,
I believe he meant he would like to purchase transit from Cogent.
-Randy
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> keith
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:53 PM
> To: Kevin Billings
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> Subjec
Do you not know what your traffic ratios are with Cogent? You can easily
get this information using Sflow or Netflow.
Keith O'Neill
Pando Networks
Kevin Billings wrote:
Can someone tell me if there are any tools on the net we can use to
evaluate Cogent as a possible Tier 1 peer. We are loo
neal, all,
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 05:46:43PM -0600, nealr wrote:
> I've not watched here closely for a number of years, but I now have a
> Sprint connected customer who is hating life and Cogent seems to be part
> of the equation. Can someone fill me in on the history of their
> relationship
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 09:51:47AM -0500, James Jun wrote:
>
> > On Oct 31, 2006, at 2:12 AM, Bob Collie wrote:
> >
> > > That looks like a transit connection that Cogent bought at Ashburn,
> > > VA,
> > > not SFI peering connection.
> >
> > Hrmm, I can't tell by looking at a traceroute who pai
Hi Fredy,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fredy Kuenzler) wrote:
> Think of 174 started to peer with 1239 and redirecting some outbound
> traffic to 3320 over this new peer. Since 3320 is buying from 1239, they
> will pay more to 1239, and 1239 accepts 174 as a new peer because they
> get more money from 332
Patrick W. Gilmore schrieb:
Hrmm, I can't tell by looking at a traceroute who paid whom, if
anyone. Care to explain your magic? Is there a code in the in-addrs?
Perhaps "sl-$FOO" means something in Sprint-speak?
Secondly, does anyone really give a rat's ass who is "SFI" any
longer? There are a
> On Oct 31, 2006, at 2:12 AM, Bob Collie wrote:
>
> > That looks like a transit connection that Cogent bought at Ashburn,
> > VA,
> > not SFI peering connection.
>
> Hrmm, I can't tell by looking at a traceroute who paid whom, if
> anyone. Care to explain your magic? Is there a code in the in
On Oct 31, 2006, at 2:12 AM, Bob Collie wrote:
That looks like a transit connection that Cogent bought at Ashburn,
VA,
not SFI peering connection.
Hrmm, I can't tell by looking at a traceroute who paid whom, if
anyone. Care to explain your magic? Is there a code in the in-
addrs? Perh
11:13 PM
To: Ed Ray; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Cogent now peering with Sprint?
That looks like a transit connection that Cogent bought at Ashburn, VA,
not SFI peering connection.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Ed Ray
Sent: Tuesday
That looks like a transit connection that Cogent bought at Ashburn, VA,
not SFI peering connection.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Ed Ray
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:11 AM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Cogent now peering with Sprin
We have a cage at Telecity on the isle of dogs and we just lost our vpn
connections to there and now everything is dying at cogent.
Which Telecity on the Isle of Dogs. :-)
A couple of messages on the LINX ops list suggest there are power
issues at Telecity Bonnington House at the moment...
C
I just got an update from cogent, I was advised that
they have 80, eighty sites down. They are still working to restore
services to those sites.
---Frontline
Communicationsv. 888-FRONTLINE
(888.376.6854)
f. 1.845.
: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cogent network wide latency
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> *Cogent Network Status/DNS Server Status Description:
> *Welcome to Cogent Communications' Network Status Message. Today is
> Thursday April 27th 2006 10am EST.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*Cogent Network Status/DNS Server Status Description:
*Welcome to Cogent Communications’ Network Status Message. Today is
Thursday April 27th 2006 10am EST.
At this time, Cogent is experiencing latency and routing issues on the
Cogent backbone. The NOC is currently in
On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 06:41:04PM -0500, David Coulson wrote:
>
> Apparently Cogent had a fiber cut between Santa Clara and Houston which
> is screwing their network up pretty nicely (I'm seeing 60m of latency
> between two routers in Chicago).
You mean WCG had a fiber cut, just west of Houst
Heya,
I'm not sure what's going on, but we were seeing problems on outbound traces
on their DC-JFK-BOS stretch (we're connected to them in Boston) but it looks
like it might have cleared itself up a few mintues ago.
Eric :)
Heard rumor of a fiber cut near chicago..
Brance
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Joseph Nuara
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:53 AM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Cogent
Can anyone shed some light on the current Cogent latency is
Fiber cut ...
http://status.cogentco.com/
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Joseph Nuara
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:53 AM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Cogent
Can anyone shed some light on the current Cogent latency issues? The
At 11:53 AM 08/02/2006, Joseph Nuara wrote:
Can anyone shed some light on the current Cogent latency issues? The
scoreboard is lit up like a Tree ... Thanks.
http://status.cogentco.com
Cogent Network Status/DNS Server Status Description: Welcome to
Cogent Communications' Network Status Mess
I'm going to try this again. It seems like my messages are not going
through.
Regards,
Ryan
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:04:29 -0500 (EST)
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Cogent Issues... (Update)
Cogent is experiencing 2 fiber cuts in the north/southeas
0:49 AM
> To: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: Cogent issues
>
>
> Take a look at this:
>
> http://scoreboard.keynote.com/scoreboard/Main.aspx?Login=Y&Use
> rname=public&Password=public
>
> I just got off the phone with Cogent. They said there was a
> fi
Take a look at this:
http://scoreboard.keynote.com/scoreboard/Main.aspx?Login=Y&Username=public&Password=public
I just got off the phone with Cogent. They said there was a fiber cut in the
eastern-US. The representative did not have specific details. They said
either in the NY or DC area.
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Drew Weaver wrote:
> Well, the other funny thing is that SBC doesn't just spend its
> own money to build these networks. They get all sorts of help from
> gov't, etc with taxes and multiple other breaks.
>
> I think that was the original complaint.
Comcast is wrong, she
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Erik Haagsman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: John Payne; Patrick W.Gilmore; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: cogent+ Level(3) are ok now
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 18:48
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 05:13:27PM -0600, Pete Templin wrote:
>For me, plenty, but a four-POP single-state network usually has
>different constraints on "scalable".
Right.
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 06:20:39PM -0500, Deepak Jain wrote:
> I think Pete is saying that as long as you aren't a contr
For me, plenty, but a four-POP single-state network usually has
different constraints on "scalable". However, I'd categorize it as one
community-list per MED tier (i.e. if you just want near/far, that's two
tiers, etc.) and one community-list entry per POP (or group of POPs, if
you have some
Jeff Aitken wrote:
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 02:44:20PM -0600, Pete Templin wrote:
I came up with a reasonably scalable solution using communities and
route-map continue, but:
For what value of "scalable"?
For me, plenty, but a four-POP single-state network usually has
different constraints
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Jeff Aitken wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 02:44:20PM -0600, Pete Templin wrote:
> > I came up with a reasonably scalable solution using communities and
> > route-map continue, but:
>
> For what value of "scalable"?
anything, its 'scalable' :)
Steve
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 02:44:20PM -0600, Pete Templin wrote:
> I came up with a reasonably scalable solution using communities and
> route-map continue, but:
For what value of "scalable"?
--Jeff
I don't understand them, either. However, if you define incoming
traffic as "bad", it encourages depeering by the receiving side if the
incoming/outgoing ratio exceeds a certain value, especially among
close-to-tier-1 carriers: the traffic does not automatically disappear
just because you depee
Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
Yes with enough time and energy (or a small enough network) you *can* beat
perfect MEDs out of the system (and your customers). You can selectively
deaggregate the hell out of your network, then you can zero out all the
known aggregate blocks and regions that are
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:22:20AM -0600, Pete Templin wrote:
>
> Time out here. John set the stage: cold potato addressed the long haul
> (or at least that's the assumption in place when I hopped on board). If
> NetA and NetB are honoring MED (or other appropriate knob), NetA->NetB
> traffi
> Sounds like an extremely short-sighted view of the Net and it's
> economics. Claiming content providers should be charged for "using"
> broadband access-pipes is fine and dandy, but coveniently forgetting
> that without content there probably wouldn't be a great deal of
> customers wanting broad
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 18:48 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:46:20 EST, John Payne said:
> > What am I missing?
>
> Obviously, the same thing that management at SBC is missing:
> He argued that because SBC and others have invested to build high-speed
> networks, they
Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
Pete Templin wrote:
John Curran wrote:
Cold-potato only addresses the long-haul; there's still cost on the
receiving network even if its handed off at the closest interconnect
to the final destination(s).
And there's still revenue, as the traffic is going to cus
for a totally different spin, my little router mess (not daytime job) is
starting to depeer folk who intentionally deaggregate.
and gosh, my config builds sure run faster!
randy
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> From: Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:22:43 -1000
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:46:20 EST, John Payne said:
> That is something that has always confused me about ratio based
> peering disputes.
> Surely it is the responsibility of the content-sucking network to
> build and engineer to meet the demands of *their* customers (and
> build the cost of
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 11:16:58AM -0500, vijay gill wrote:
>
> Pete Templin wrote:
> >
> >
> >John Curran wrote:
> >
> >>Cold-potato only addresses the long-haul; there's still cost on the
> >>receiving network even if its handed off at the closest interconnect
> >>to the final destination(s).
>
* John Payne:
> That is something that has always confused me about ratio based
> peering disputes.
I don't understand them, either. However, if you define incoming
traffic as "bad", it encourages depeering by the receiving side if the
incoming/outgoing ratio exceeds a certain value, especial
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Brandon Ross wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, John Payne wrote:
What am I missing?
That it's a pure power play.
market position is important
If by market position you are referring to who needs/wants/can do without
the traffi
On Nov 1, 2005, at 10:04 AM, John Curran wrote:
At 9:40 AM -0500 11/1/05, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
I think everyone agrees that unbalanced ratios can create a
situation where one side pays more than the other. However,
assuming something can be used to keep the costs equal (e.g. cold-
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