Re: Help with bad announcement from UUnet

2002-03-29 Thread measl
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Anne Marcel Roorda wrote: Having a support model in which anyone can call any NOC about a problem they're having does not scale very well. How about a model where any large (multiple OC12s) CUSTOMER can call a NOC about a problem they're having??? -- Yours, J.A.

Re: Help with bad announcement from UUnet

2002-03-29 Thread Andy Walden
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Sabri Berisha wrote: On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Anne Marcel Roorda wrote: Having a support model in which anyone can call any NOC about a problem they're having does not scale very well. What would work better/faster? my-noc - b0rken-noc or my-noc -

Re: Help with bad announcement from UUnet

2002-03-29 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 08:11:14AM -0600, Andy Walden wrote: What would work better/faster? my-noc - b0rken-noc or my-noc - my-upstream-noc - b0rken-noc-upstream-noc - b0rken-noc Work better for who? For you? Sure. For a any provider that needs to provide

Re: Help with bad announcement from UUnet

2002-03-29 Thread Andy Walden
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Leo Bicknell wrote: Note that in both cases, b0rken-noc takes a single call, so their load is unchanged. The second case adds a call to both my-upstream-noc, and b0rken-noc-upstream-noc. It would seem going direct would put a lower load on NOC's in general, which

Re: Help with bad announcement from UUnet

2002-03-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:43:26 EST, Leo Bicknell said: my-noc - my-upstream-noc - b0rken-noc-upstream-noc - b0rken-noc It would seem going direct would put a lower load on NOC's in general, which presumably would let them spend more time on problems and provide better service. The

Re: Help with bad announcement from UUnet

2002-03-29 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2002-03-29 at 09:45 -0600, Andy Walden wrote: It would seem going direct would put a lower load on NOC's in general, which presumably would let them spend more time on problems and provide better service. Where is the limit though? Once I open things up to non customers, and let any

RE: Help with bad announcement from UUnet

2002-03-29 Thread James Smith
Title: RE: Help with bad announcement from UUnet I would generally agree that non-paying customers should not get top-shelf service, but when it is someone with clue calling (your people should be able to tell, they should be clueful to a degree) about an issue that is being sourced from your

Re: Help with bad announcement from UUnet

2002-03-29 Thread Forrest W. Christian
I've obviously caused a stir. Before I proceed, let me say I'm going to continue mentioning UU.net as I've had experience there... The responses to this list indicate this is a more widespread problem, so please don't take this as necessarily badmouthing uu.net. Let me first say EXACTLY what

Re: Help with bad announcement from UUnet

2002-03-29 Thread Forrest W. Christian
. Christian wrote: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:10:18 + (GMT) From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: batz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Stephen J. Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark E. Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Help with bad announcement from UUnet I've

Re: Help with bad announcement from UUnet

2002-03-29 Thread Mark E. Mallett
On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 01:18:10PM +0100, Anne Marcel Roorda wrote: Having a support model in which anyone can call any NOC about a problem they're having does not scale very well. I felt justified in calling UUnet. I know the conversation had morphed by the time you made the above