Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006, Roland Dobbins wrote: In the U.S. and Canada, the expectation has been set to an assumption of 'unlimited' bandwidth consumption for a fixed price in the consumer market. AT&T WorldNet helped popularize that model early-on (you can thank or curse Tom Evslin for that, acco

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

On Dec 26, 2006, at 12:12 PM, John Kristoff wrote: I'm not very excited about things like jumbo frames, in part because of the good work you did there to show hard they are to actually get end-to-end, but all it takes these days is for one middle box in the path to cripple, in any myriad of wa

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:07:10 -0800 Joe St Sauver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But that's all host-based -- what about at the network level? Hi Joe, There are also the widely deployed "packet shaper" boxes that are artificially reducing throughput, including in some instances on the path between

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

On Dec 24, 2006, at 11:29 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: So to sum up, the upstream problem you're talking about is already here, it's just that instead of using your own PVR box and then sharing that, someone did this somewhere in the world, encoded it into Xvid and then it is shared betw

RE: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

Chris mentioned: #it might also be interesting to know how tcp-stack differences affect some #of the usage patterns as well. With the now widely deployed win* platform #tcp stach respecting tcp-reno things work according to well #understood/accepted models. Mac OSX, linux and Vista seem to NOT re

RE: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Frank Bulk wrote: > > I wouldn't mind if upstream utilization matched downstream rates as we're > essentially paying for downstream utilization, not upstream. Are there more > pieces to the bandwidth puzzle that would start getting messed up if ISPs > and end-users were more

RE: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

What hasn't been yet discussed is the upstream/downstream disparity on the link to the upstream provider. At least in our ISP operations, downstream peaks out at about 3x the upstream, and downstream only dips to the upstream utilization at the wee hours of the morning. I wouldn't mind if upstre

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

"Mobile access to Orb or Slingbox does not include using your mobile as a modem." Not sure what that means. They certainly support mobile>usb>pc or datacard use, so it's not that. Do they mean no Slingbox viewing on a pc attached to a mobile? Why? On 12/26/06, Roland Dobbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

On Dec 25, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Randy Bush wrote: Kenjiro Cho, Kensuke Fukuda, Hiroshi Esaki, & Akira Kato. "The Impact and Implications of the Growth in Residential User-to-User Traffic." SIGCOMM2006, pp207-218. Pisa, Italy. September 2006.

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

Interesting suite of services and features at a price that makes our domestic wireless broadband look sick... however, look at their AUP: http://www.three.co.uk/xseries/fair_use_policy.omp * Mobile access to Orb or Slingbox does not include using your mobile as a modem. <-- so this isn't true

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

>doesn't save much. A possible countermeasure is to not count off-peak >traffic (or not as much). Our charging scheme works like that, but >our customers are mostly large campus networks, This is similar to what some schools of economic study suggest in order to achieve equilibrium while attemp

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

i have been hitting kill on this subject. but i see that good folk are posting to it. perhaps the best paper so far on broadband utilization is that of Kenjiro Cho, Kensuke Fukuda, Hiroshi Esaki, & Akira Kato. "The Impact and Implications of the Growth in Residential User-to-User Tr

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006, Simon Leinen wrote: Yes. With Jeroen's suggestion, there's a risk that power-users' consumption will only be reduced for off-peak hours, and then the ISP doesn't save much. A possible countermeasure is to not count off-peak traffic (or not as much). Our charging scheme w

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

Lionel Elie Mamane writes: > On Mon, Dec 25, 2006 at 12:44:37AM +, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> That said ISP's should simply have a package saying "50GiB/month >> costs XX euros, 100GiB/month costs double" etc. As that covers what >> their transits are charging them, nothing more, nothing less. >

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

UK UMTS operator 3 (a Hutchison division) is advertising its so-called X-Series service, which provides "unlimited" data service (plus various lumps of steam telephony) for £25 rising to £40 a month. Skype is being bundled with the devices involved, and here's the kicker - 3 is offering Slingboxen

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

Check the AUP and TOS for that EVDO connection - my guess is that by viewing stuff from your Slingbox, you're risking termination of service. I don't have an EVDO connection myself (still toodling along with my Sidekick's GPRS), and part of the reason why is that they have a lot of what I think

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

On Mon, Dec 25, 2006 at 12:44:37AM +, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Roland Dobbins wrote: >> I recently purchased a Slingbox Pro >> What I'm wondering is, do broadband SPs believe that this kind of >> system will become common enough to make a signficant difference in >> traffic paterns, and if so,

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006, Roland Dobbins wrote: What I'm wondering is, do broadband SPs believe that this kind of system will become common enough to make a signficant difference in traffic paterns, and if so, how do they believe it will affect their access infrastructures in terms of capacity, gi

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

On Dec 24, 2006, at 4:44 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: That said ISP's should simply have a package saying "50GiB/month costs XX euros, 100GiB/month costs double" etc. In the U.S. and Canada, the expectation has been set to an assumption of 'unlimited' bandwdith consumption for a fixed price in

Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.

Roland Dobbins wrote: > > > I recently purchased a Slingbox Pro It's a neat toy indeed, I would almost run out to get one too was it not for the cash deficiency. I assume you got your X-mas presents early ? :) [..] > What I'm wondering is, do broadband SPs believe that this kind of system > wil