Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-10 Thread Eric A. Hall
On 9/9/2004 4:12 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday. hmmph. Many moons ago I used

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-10 Thread Rik van Riel
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Rachael Treu-Gomes wrote: And tunnels in tunnels in tunnels... I see some deep recursion fun here. I can see some nice routing loops coming up, with packets for tunnel endpoints being routed through the tunnel interface itself, etc... ;) Rik -- Debugging is twice as

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Randy Bush
Gelsinger pointed to PlanetLab, an experimental network that sits on top of the Internet, as a step in the right direction. ROFL! [ and i use planetlab ] randy

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Petri Helenius
Paul Vixie wrote: update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday. There is confusion in the air about the roles of hosts

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: Adaptability, capacity, security. Wait, isn't that what ipv6 was supposed to do? -Dan update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Layer 8. - ferg -- Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday. Gelsinger

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday. Gelsinger pointed to PlanetLab, an

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Daniel Golding
On 9/9/04 4:21 PM, Petri Helenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Vixie wrote: update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Randy Bush
Which is ironic given that many visible trends (optical cores, mpls, l2 ip dslams) point to dumber network devices not smarter ones. maybe they're in the business of selling microprocessors? so we can have a marketing war between those who would save the net using micro network processors,

RE: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Brance Amussen :)_S
Yeah, great, lots of backbone, but get me fiber to my house, maybe I'll be excited.. Nice marketing, but, um, still only as good as its weakest link.. HDTV over IP bwhaaa haaa hong long did it take to get VOIP to work?? 10 years? A bit of forshadowing I'd say.. -Original Message- From:

RE: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Lucy E. Lynch
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Brance Amussen :)_S wrote: Yeah, great, lots of backbone, but get me fiber to my house, maybe I'll be excited.. Nice marketing, but, um, still only as good as its weakest link.. HDTV over IP bwhaaa haaa hong long did it take to get VOIP to work?? 10 years? A bit of

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Rachael Treu-Gomes
Indeed. So would this be...IP over IP? And tunnels in tunnels in tunnels... I see some deep recursion fun here. (Now...to keep the underlying carrier networks up. Perhaps we need an Undernet for the Internet to support this Overnet and its valid mode of delivery.) Follow the white

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Tom (UnitedLayer)
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: Layer 8. - ferg Sounds more like a burrito than the internet...

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Mehmet Akcin
haha, correct Mehmet Akcin - Original Message - From: Tom (UnitedLayer) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fergie (Paul Ferguson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul On Thu, 9 Sep 2004

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Tom (UnitedLayer)
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Daniel Golding wrote: It has become trendy, in some circles, performance/congestion/non-deterministic nature/lack of security/insert issue here. After firmly denouncing the Internet, the company or individual then touts their product, which will fix/replace/augment the

Re: Intel calls for Internet overhaul

2004-09-09 Thread Peter H Salus
You want to see the future of meritless products, you've gotta look at the xri and xdi white papers from oasis-open.org. ROTFL. Peter