RE: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-05 Thread Drew Weaver
Are you going to sue him like you threatened to sue us in 2001 for blacklisting you? :D -Drew -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Anderson Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:01 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: SMTP AUTH Using SORBS

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-04 Thread Michael . Dillon
> C'mon folks... let's get back to the usual complaining about the size of > the global routing table :) Wow! A short message that only quotes the essential points being responded to and doesn't leave pages of irrelevant quotes following the poster's own words! Amazing!

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-03 Thread Dean Anderson
On Wed, 4 May 2005, Matthew Sullivan wrote: > No it's because you're off topic. Whether justified or not SORBS > complaints and SORBS bashing are not on-topic for NANOG. This is not particularly about SORBS bashing. Its about the need for SMTP AUTH, whether SMTP AUTH stops spam, and who abuses

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-03 Thread Matthew Sullivan
Dean Anderson wrote: On Mon, 2 May 2005, Matthew Sullivan wrote: Off topic again Dean...? Can't you keep on topic and keep the personal attacks out of the list...? Funny how its only off topic when its about your abuse. No it's because you're off topic. Whether justified or not SORBS

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-03 Thread Jared Mauch
On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 02:34:22PM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: > > On Mon, 2 May 2005, David Lesher wrote: > > > Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: > > > > > > Better yet, try to name 16 mail clients people _actually use_ which > > > DON'T, other than MUA-only programs

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-03 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 2 May 2005, David Lesher wrote: > Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: > > > > Better yet, try to name 16 mail clients people _actually use_ which > > DON'T, other than MUA-only programs like mailx and mutt with no SMTP > > support at all. When I worked at a medium

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-03 Thread Dave Stewart
At 01:53 PM 5/3/2005, you wrote: -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000 All this argument about a guy whose business website is a GIF, with 4 links above it, 2 of which point to a machine that's refusin

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-03 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 2 May 2005, Matthew Sullivan wrote: > Off topic again Dean...? Can't you keep on topic and keep the personal > attacks out of the list...? Funny how its only off topic when its about your abuse. > Dean Anderson wrote: > > >ignored. Then, in the fall of 2003, when the major open rela

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-03 Thread Dean Anderson
On Sun, 1 May 2005, Will Yardley wrote: > Is it time to break out the "Please do not feed the trolls" sign? > > Feeding 'em anyway... but *plonk* for Mr. Anderson. For those who are > masochists, read on. > > On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 10:50:29PM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > But only 16 emai

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-02 Thread Steve Sobol
Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are plenty of non-Windows mailers which support SMTP auth - the > list below includes quite a few Mac OS, cross platform, and UNIX / Linux > clients. Not only that, but on a *nix system, it's possible to configure > the MTA as an authenticated SMTP

Re: a call for peace (Re: SMTP AUTH)

2005-05-02 Thread Randy Bush
>> does a better job. The following does very nicely for me, for the >> record :-) >> >>> # Valley of the Kooks >>> >>> :0 >>> * ^(From|To|Cc):.*baptista@(pccf\.net|dot-god\.com) >>> /dev/null >>> >>> :0 >>> * ^(From|To|Cc):[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> /dev/null >>> >>> :0 >>> * >>> ^(From|To|Cc):.*(jim

Re: a call for peace (Re: SMTP AUTH)

2005-05-02 Thread paul
i quoted somebody as saying: > >> :0 > >> * ^From:.*<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> /dev/null and was told by an actual procmail user the following: > That regex needs some work (the left-angle bracket excludes messages sent > with a bare address), and: > > > it does no good for me to filter out the

Re: a call for peace (Re: SMTP AUTH)

2005-05-02 Thread Steven Champeon
on Mon, May 02, 2005 at 01:55:19PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: > > in this interminable thread from hell, someone finally said the magic words: > > > Thankfully, there's always procmail. > > and helpfully gave a specific recipe: Yeah, but not the one you really need. Thankfully, there's always mo

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-02 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 5/2/05, David Lesher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: > > http://palmsource.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&prodid=44646 > > > > Look at that, a PalmOS app that does exactly what you're looking for. > > Doesn't seem

a call for peace (Re: SMTP AUTH)

2005-05-02 Thread Paul Vixie
uot; > Y -[ 19: Dean Anderson ] [ 22: "Steven J. Sobol" ] Y -[ 32: Dean Anderson ] Y -[ 116: Dean Anderson ] [ 27: "Edward B. Dreger" ] Y -[ 82: Dean Anderson ] Re: SMTP AUTH

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-02 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: > > http://palmsource.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&prodid=44646 > > Look at that, a PalmOS app that does exactly what you're looking for. > Doesn't seem to have been too difficult to find. I looked at Snappe

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-02 Thread Tim Wilde
On Mon, 2 May 2005, David Lesher wrote: Well, if someone knows a program for the Treo 6xx that does SMTP-Auth w/APOPI'm all ears... (& over SSL would be a big plus...) Let's see here... Google for "palm smtp auth"... first link... scroll down a bit... http://palmsource.palmgear.com/index.c

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-02 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: > > > Better yet, try to name 16 mail clients people _actually use_ which > DON'T, other than MUA-only programs like mailx and mutt with no SMTP > support at all. When I worked at a mediumish sized hosting company with > probably well o

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-02 Thread Matthew Sullivan
Off topic again Dean...? Can't you keep on topic and keep the personal attacks out of the list...? Dean Anderson wrote: ignored. Then, in the fall of 2003, when the major open relay blacklists shutdown, open relay abuse JUST DROPPED OFF TO NOTHING. And when SORBS started scanning, abuse picked

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-01 Thread Will Yardley
Is it time to break out the "Please do not feed the trolls" sign? Feeding 'em anyway... but *plonk* for Mr. Anderson. For those who are masochists, read on. On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 10:50:29PM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: > But only 16 email clients (counting Netscape, Mozilla, and Firefox > sepa

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-01 Thread Joe Maimon
Yes it is kindof amazing how well it works.. Unlike others on this list I have never claimed to have any credibility. I am just a small time op. Dean Anderson wrote: Using SORBS? just how much credibility do you want to lose? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 23:30

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-01 Thread Randy Bush
> Just be glad no one has set up a net kook DNSBL yet. won't work. the trogs post to mailing lists. procmail is my friend and could be yours. but i can't figure out why otherwise seemingly sane folk keep replying to known kooks. randy

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-01 Thread James
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 12:11:35AM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > > On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 12:01:16AM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > > Using SORBS? just how much credibility do you want to lose? > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 23:30:00 -0400

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-01 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 12:01:16AM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: > > Using SORBS? just how much credibility do you want to lose? > > -- Forwarded message -- > Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 23:30:00 -0400 > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-01 Thread Dean Anderson
Using SORBS? just how much credibility do you want to lose? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 23:30:00 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details The original message was received at

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-01 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 01 May 2005 23:37:53 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > these either have 'Antique' tags on them or are painted National School Bus > Chrome (National Bureau of Standards Color #1305)...) Figures. Another reference says it's Standard 595a, Color 13432.. ;) pgpfOZNJwJmJ7.pgp Description: PG

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-01 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 01 May 2005 22:50:29 EDT, Dean Anderson said: > But only 16 email clients (counting Netscape, Mozilla, and Firefox > separately), support SMTP AUTH. But there are more than 1000 different > email client programs. If you go to Microcenter, you can buy several > email client programs for wi

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-01 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 2 May 2005, Edward B. Dreger wrote: > DA> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 21:09:50 -0400 (EDT) > DA> From: Dean Anderson > > DA> > http://www.merit.edu/mail/archives/nanog/199-11/msg00263.html > DA> > http://www.merit.edu/mail/archives/nanog/199-11/msg00289.html > DA> > DA> Neither of these links

Re: SMTP AUTH

2005-05-01 Thread Dean Anderson
This seems like a new thread, so I changed the title. inline On Sun, 1 May 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sun, 01 May 2005 21:09:50 EDT, Dean Anderson said: > > criticisms (made presumably in 1999), were correct. In 2005, SMTP AUTH is > > basically dead. There hasn't been a new mail client