: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:04 AM
To: Jamie Bowden
Cc: Marshall Eubanks; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel /
KT e tc connectivity disrupted
the only fiber that i'm aware of that is actually along the toll road itself
belongs to the toll
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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:01 AM
To: Brian Wallingford
Cc: Rod Beck; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake -
PCCW / Singtel / KT e tc
Jamie Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Entrances, ha. Anyone remember that railroad tunnel in Baltimore ?
And I am pretty sure that Fairfax County isn't much better.
We have a railroad tunnel in Fairfax?
single points of failure, like f'rinstance collapsed backbone segments
on boone blvd.
On Jan 21, 2007, at 12:05 AM, Brian Wallingford wrote:
That's news?
The same still happens with much land-based sonet, where diverse
paths
still share the same entrance to a given facility. Unless each end
can
Entrances, ha. Anyone remember that railroad tunnel in Baltimore ?
And I
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
Or how about the ship that sank off the coast of Pakistan and cut both
the SWM3 spur into Pakistan and the Flag link?
This is a function of the cable-head being close to a port and close to
it's neighbor cable-head, right? If the cable heads were on
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
Unfortunately it is news to the decision makers, the buyers of network
capacity at many of the major IP backbones. Indeed, the Atlantic route
has problems quite similar to the Pacific.
If this is news to them, perhaps its time to get new decision makers
On 1/20/07, Brian Wallingford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's news?
The same still happens with much land-based sonet, where diverse paths
still share the same entrance to a given facility. Unless each end can
negotiate cost sharing for diverse paths, or unless the owner of the fiber
can
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Aaron Glenn wrote:
Just the other night I was trolling marketing materials for various
lit services from a number of providers and I ran across what I found
to be an interesting PDF from the ol' SBC (can't find it at the
moment). It was a government services product
In many places (based on a quick scan of the telegeography map from 200
posts ago...) it seems like cable landings are all very much centrally
located in any one geographic area. There are like 5 on the east coast
near NYC, with many of the cables coming into the same landing place.
That's true,
.
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Sent: Sun 1/21/2007 8:13 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
tc connectivity disrupted
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
Unfortunately it is news
the disclaimer.
Regards,
Roderick.
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To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
tc connectivity disrupted
On 1/20/07, Brian
fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
tc connectivity disrupted
In many places (based on a quick scan of the telegeography map from 200
posts ago...) it seems like cable landings are all very much centrally
located in any one geographic area. There are like 5 on the east coast
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
Well, gentlemen, you have to ask for the fiber maps and have them
placed in the contract as an exhibit.
Most of the large commercial banks are doing it. It's doable, but it
does require effort.
Uhm, did you bother to read the NDAI report? The Federal
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- -- Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The FAA, Federal Reserve, SFTI and SMART are probably at the top as
far as trying to engineer their networks and maintain diversity
assurances. But even the Federal Reserve found the cost more than
it
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Fergie wrote:
This really has more to do with analogies regarding organizations
such as DeBeers, and less with Murphy's Law. :-)
No, its not a scarcity argument. You have the same problem regardless
of the number of carriers or fibers or routes. There wasn't a lack of
.
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To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
tc connectivity disrupted
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
Well, gentlemen, you
That's news?
The same still happens with much land-based sonet, where diverse paths
still share the same entrance to a given facility. Unless each end can
negotiate cost sharing for diverse paths, or unless the owner of the fiber
can cost justify the same, chances are you're not going to see
Hi Brian,
Unfortunately it is news to the decision makers, the buyers of network capacity
at many of the major IP backbones. Indeed, the Atlantic route has problems
quite similar to the Pacific.
:Roderick S. Beck
:EMEA and North American Sales
:Hibernia Atlantic
This e-mail and any
A listing of cable ships around the world and their approximate
locations (as of a couple of months ago) is available from the
Submarine Telecoms Forum, at
http://www.subtelforum.com/
and click on Issue 29.
There just aren't that many ships in the area, or any area, for
that matter. The
earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
tc connectivity disrupted
I would expect that some of the affected cables have lost dc power used to
drive
repeaters and amplifiers (10 kv d.c.) from their landing stations. Or that is
at
least the hope at this time. The WSJ today published a superb article
Frank Coluccio wrote:
Kidding aside, these errors are actually intentional, and the publisher
makes
no bones about it at the bottom of the page. See disclaimer under the South
Atlantic Ocean:
Cable Routes do not represent all subsea cable networks and do not reflect
actual location of
There are significant cable landing sites at Pacific City and at
Nedonna Beach near Rockaway, Oregon, not far from here in Portland.
They connect variously to Japan, Hawaii (and Australia), Alaska
and California.
Quite a bit about these cable terminuses can be found at the
Oregon Fishermen's
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Sent: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:28:36 -0900
Subject: Re: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
tc connectivity disrupted
There are significant cable landing sites at Pacific City and at
Nedonna Beach near Rockaway, Oregon, not far from
According to Chungwa, Sea-Me-We3 and APCN2 are affected.
Satellite connectivity is already being mentioned for
supplanting surviving regional connectivity.
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RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
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Hi,
Information seems to suggest that these all have one or other faults
due to the earthquake. Some probably have more serious problems then
others.
SMW3 (Sea-me-we 3).
FNAL and FEA (FLAG North Asia Loop) ;
RNAL = Reach North Asia Loop
On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 04:55:25AM +, Gaurab Raj Upadhaya wrote:
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Hi,
Information seems to suggest that these all have one or other faults
due to the earthquake. Some probably have more serious problems then
others.
SMW3
snip
I've wondered how many boats/subs exist for these repairs
and if attempting to do them all in parallel is going to be a big
problem. With 6 systems having outages, it will be interesting to see
when various paths/systems come back online and if there is a gating
factor in
I would expect that some of the affected cables have lost dc power used to drive
repeaters and amplifiers (10 kv d.c.) from their landing stations. Or that is at
least the hope at this time. The WSJ today published a superb article along with
a unusually detailed global route map. See intro along
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On Dec 28, 2006, at 5:35 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
I've wondered how many boats/subs exist for these repairs
and if attempting to do them all in parallel is going to be a big
problem. With 6 systems having outages, it will be interesting
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Reuters AlertNet says (props, Vicky Rode):
[snip]
While a tsunami warning came to nothing, the quake damaged at least six
undersea telecommunication cables, affecting users in Taiwan and South
Korea, and was felt in China and Hong Kong.
[snip]
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