Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-01 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Matt Ghali wrote: > > is anyone else seeing timeouts reaching ultradns' .org nameservers? > > I'm seeing seemingly random timeout failures from both sbci and uc berkeley. I'm seeing random DNS failures in general -- in the last half hour I had failures on isc.org, slashd

RE: ultradns reachability

2004-07-01 Thread Cody Lerum
Well http://www.dnsstuff.com is showing it also (http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?name=mariners.org&type=A) How I am searching: Searching for A record for mariners.org at j.root-servers.net: Got referral to TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET. [took 93 ms] Searching for A record for mariners.org at TLD2.U

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Matt Ghali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > is anyone else seeing timeouts reaching ultradns' .org nameservers? > > I'm seeing seemingly random timeout failures from both sbci and uc berkeley. One is working and one is not from here. $ dig +norec @tld1.ultradns.net whoareyou.ultrad

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-01 Thread Eric Frazier
Yes, it looks like it is starting to get back to normal since I got your email :) As far as I could tell it started around 5:30 PST and ended around 6:00 PST. Thanks, Eric At 06:01 PM 7/1/2004, Matt Ghali wrote: is anyone else seeing timeouts reaching ultradns' .org nameservers? I'm seeing seemin

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-01 Thread James Edwards
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Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-01 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, James Edwards wrote: > http://www.cymru.com/DNS/gtlddns-o.html > my mrtg skillz are kind of lame, but this seems to show 2/3rds outage from this monitoring point of view. It'd be nice if the aforementioned 'what/where/who' info was available for each monitoring point CYMRU u

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-01 Thread k claffy
On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 02:06:59AM +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, James Edwards wrote: > http://www.cymru.com/DNS/gtlddns-o.html > my mrtg skillz are kind of lame, but this seems to show 2/3rds outage from this monitoring point of view. It'd be nice i

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-01 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, k claffy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 02:06:59AM +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, James Edwards wrote: > > http://www.cymru.com/DNS/gtlddns-o.html > > > Anycast makes the pinpointing of problems a little challenging from the > external p

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-01 Thread Edward B. Dreger
CLM> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 04:18:07 + (GMT) CLM> From: Christopher L. Morrow [ editted for brevity -- some punctuation/wording modified ] CLM> So, I thought of it like this. Rodney/Centergate/UltraDNS CLM> knows: [ snip enumeration ] CLM> [and] should know almost exactly when they have

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-02 Thread Joe Abley
On 2 Jul 2004, at 00:18, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: So, I thought of it like this: 1) Rodney/Centergate/UltraDNS knows where all their 35000billion copies of the 2 .org TLD boxes are, what network pieces they are connected to at which bandwidths and the current utilization 2) Rodney/Centergate/

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-02 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 10:22:09AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > This leaves the anycast servers providing all the optimisation that > they are good for (local nameserver in toplogically distant networks; > distributed DDoS traffic sink; reduced transaction RTT) and provides a >

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-02 Thread Dr. Jeffrey Race
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:22:09 -0400, Joe Abley wrote: >With the fix above, the problem becomes "hey, *some* of the nameservers >for ORG are dead! We should fix that, but since not *all* of them are >dead, at least ORG still works." Sorry, I missed the top of this thread. I cannot mail an ORG cor

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-02 Thread Joe Abley
On 2 Jul 2004, at 10:43, Leo Bicknell wrote: Note in the later pages what happens to particular servers under packet loss. They all start to show an affinity for a subset of the servers. It's been said that by putting some non-anycasted servers in with the anycasted servers what can happen is if

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-02 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 11:16:08AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > In my opinion, the primary purpose of anycast distribution of > nameservers is reliability of the service as a whole, and not > performance. Being able to reach a server is much more important than > whether you ca

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-02 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Joe Abley wrote: > All the failure modes that ISC has seen with anycast nameserver > instances can be avoided (for the authoritative DNS service as a whole) > by including one or more non-anycast nameservers in the NS set. Am I missing something.. So you say: 10.1.0.1 Any

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-02 Thread Matt Ghali
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Leo Bicknell wrote: > So the question is not so much "is 500ms towards the server > bad", it's "can I build a single server (cluster) that will take > all the load worldwide when the client software does bad things." DNS traffic, surprisingly, is not very "fat". It is no HTTP

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-03 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 05:55:13PM -0700, Matt Ghali wrote: > DNS traffic, surprisingly, is not very "fat". It is no HTTP nor SMTP. > > The engineering behind appropriately sizing a unicast fallback would > be pretty trivial, especially compared to building a somewhat-robust >

Re: ultradns reachability

2004-07-03 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: > 10.1.0.1 Anycast1 (x50 boxes) > 10.2.0.1 Anycast2 (x50 boxes - different to anycast1) > In each scenario two systems have to fail to take out any one customer.. but > isnt the bottom one better for the usual pro anycast reasons?