> Frankly, I've been rather surprised at the level of the negativity that
> has come across towards this idea in several of the posts and I'm not
> sure why that is.
It is because you are talking about a site which
does not exist.
It is because when people are intrigued by the
idea and want to
> Original Message
> Subject: RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price
> quote registry
> From: "Matt Bazan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, September 16, 2005 6:37 pm
...
>
> Now I fully realize that it's n
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:23:29 -0700
> From: Matt Bazan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote
> registry
> I don't know about you, but how many times have you wanted to know the
> price of hardware vendor a, v
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Bazan wrote:
> I don't know about you, but how many times have you wanted to know the
> price of hardware vendor a, vendor b and vendor c's product offering
> only to find out that you have to contact one of their sales reps, give
> them all your contact & company info (
"Marshall Eubanks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Am I the only one who feels that an NDA, even an NDA with a vendor, is an
> agreement that should be honored ?
>
> I know they are silly in many case, but still...
We certainly wish for our vendors to honor *their* NDAs with us, don't
we? RIRs
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 04:46:32PM -0700, Matt Ghali wrote:
>
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
>
> Am I the only one who feels that an NDA, even an NDA with a vendor, is an
> agreement that should be honored ?
>
>
> I agree as well. It amuses me to no end that this fello
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From: "Marshall Eubanks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Matt Bazan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
Am I the only one who feels that an NDA, even an NDA with a vendor, is an
agreement that should be honored ?
I agree as well. It amuses me to no end that this fellow is posting
from his work account at "onelegal.com".
matto
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marshall,
No, you are not. We live or die by them.
Hilton
Am I the only one who feels that an NDA, even an NDA with a vendor, is an
agreement that should be honored ?
I know they are silly in many case, but still...
Regards
Marshall Eubanks
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:12:40 +
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > If need be I'll off shore it.
> >
>
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:48:43 PDT, Matt Bazan said:
> Not sure I buy that line of reasoning. Hasn't happened in the myriad of
> other consumer product lines that have open pricing.
The key word here is "consumer product".
> Actually, not the case. CDW and Dell (and all the others) only publish
> > If need be I'll off shore it.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> Fine, you can build it and off-shore it, but I suspect that
> is a case
> of "if you build it they will not come".
Robbing points from each other at the deal desk has 0
value to all of us. It also has 0 operational value.
Ultimately,
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> you've had lots (some) folks point out the perceived dangers
> of participating in such a venture. ... yet you continue to
> insist that such a "service" will be of profound value to the
>
>
> If need be I'll off shore it.
>
> Matt
you've had lots (some) folks point out the perceived dangers
of participating in such a venture. ... yet you continue to
insist that such a "service" will be of profound value to the
community as a whole and is not rep
Uhh, make sure the data isn't stored anywhere vendor
X's attornies can get to it. Rest assured, whoever hosts the
site would be sent paperwork in hours, if not minutes from
it's discovery.
If need be I'll off shore it.
Matt
Fine, you can build it and off-shore it, but I suspect t
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Ghali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> And I am risking my career for you because...?
>
For life and liberty and...well, ok. I'm only requesting people to
provide this info if they're comfortable doing so. If not, sit back and
let's see what happens.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Bazan wrote:
Now I fully realize that it's not a light matter to put ones job on the
line for this. However, I doubt, that in most cases, someone would get
fired for a first time offense. And, if worried, start with something
small. Bottom line is, the system'
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Gucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Well, httpd style logs will certainly "tell" where the
> information came from.
>
No logging info of any sort would be enabled.
>
> Uhh, make sure the data isn't stored anywhere vendor
> X's atto
On Sep 16, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Matt Bazan wrote:
Actually, not the case. CDW and Dell (and all the others) only
publish
their prices for the low end gear that they sell. Anything else
requires a call to a rep and establishing a relationship.
This is not true, particularly with places like
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 03:37:08PM -0700, Matt Bazan wrote:
>
> a) the quote was in fact from a particular company (sure, it may look
> darn similar - but prove? and if you're really worried, fudge some
> details a bit)
> - sure, if it's a $10 million quote that's one thing. But say a
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard A Steenbergen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Obviously no one is wasting their time sueing you if your
> company leaks the price of a low-end router to one or two of
> your neighbors, it isn't worth the price of the lawyers, and
> it isn't easy to p
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 02:48:43PM -0700, Matt Bazan wrote:
>
> I can see your points here. But, I think there still is value to the
> medium and small companies that are not bound by these types of
> agreements.
If they wanted their pricing published, they would do so themselves. Most
vendors
On Sep 16, 2005, at 2:12 PM, Matt Bazan wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sean Figgins
Yes, it would be great, however it won't work.
Couple points. This is true typically in only the largest enterprise
quotes. For the
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Sean Figgins
>
> Most of the vendors I know of like to wine and dine the VPs.
> If a NDA gets violated, the vendor will not be forced to stop
> dealing with the company, just get the employee th
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Bazan wrote:
> anonymous ;-) Besides, in today's crap economy, is a vendor really
> going to come down on a client for violating an NDA and throw away ?
> I personally don't have experience with this but I'm willing to bet that
> most NDAs are more bark than bite.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:55:51 EDT, David Hubbard said:
> Don't forget about "Well we're super sized network equipment
> vendor X so if you rip out all of your equipment from vendor
> Y, you can get discount + special discount." :-)
Heck, we've had vendor X give us a discount for ripping vendor X'
Gang,
I just went through this matter in another venue (SAGe).
My company's policy, and I know there are others equally stringent, is
that I may divulge which products from which vendors I have looked at,
and I may tell which one I picked. However, I may not divulge my
processes for decision ma
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Sean Figgins
> > Yes, it would be great, however it won't work.
>
Couple points. This is true typically in only the largest enterprise
quotes. For the vast majority of medium and small business
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Ghali wrote:
> I've resigned myself to it being one of the things I get paid to do.
Ah yes, and don't forget that you can usually get rewarded for the time
that you have to spend listening to the sales pitch by squeezing out a
lunch or dinner or two out of the sales guy
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Bazan wrote:
I don't know about you, but how many times have you wanted to know the
price of hardware vendor a, vendor b and vendor c's product offering
only to find out that you have to contact one of their sales reps, give
them all your contact & company info (
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Oh, and you can have up to 7 of attached, unless you
> have a attached, in which case you can have 5
> and one or 4 and 2 . You know the
> configurator drill.. ;)
>
> Sure, go for it. :)
Don't forget
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Bazan wrote:
> Wouldn't it be great if there was an online, updated daily, website that
> listed real quotes oraganized by region in the country and company size?
Yes, it would be great, however it won't work.
> I think so. Here's what I propose. I will design and ho
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:23:29 PDT, Matt Bazan said:
(answering the second part first)
> to organize just such info. What I will need from all of you out there
> is your real time quotes (anonymously submitted is just fine, black out
> all the relevant personal/company info) and just include some
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