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From: Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:08 PM
Posted To: NANOG
Conversation: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest
Subject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest
JC Dill wrote:
At 07:32 PM 11/3/2003, John
Indeed many places have multiple padlocks locked together and then
hooked to a chain. Any padlock opened unlocks the chain. This really
only works for chained shut gates, but it's works rather well, and you
can revoke access with the key from an adjacent lock and a pair of
boltcutters.
This is
The quesiton isn't so much how someone cut a fiber strand, but why the
failure of a single fiber strand had such an impact on the telephone
service in the region.
I'd be willing to bet it wasn't a single strand. More likely the press or
whoever got it wrong and it was an entire cable or
I'm fairly certain that the telco huts or CO's have to accomodate multiple
groups having access, so I'd bet that a padlock probably is a tough sell
:( Its very interesting that the 'critical infrastructure' has seemingly
loose security on such vital parts.
Actually padlocks are quite common.
Not having seen the entire cut, I would have to imagin the entirebundle was
cut and the poor splicers had their hands full.
-Henry"Vincent J. Bono" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The quesiton isn't so much how someone cut a fiber strand, but why the failure of a single fiber strand had such an impact
Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
Additionally, most of these things are in remote enough locations that
you are unlikely to be observed using the bolt cutters to gain access
to the site. It's
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Cc: Sean Donelan
Subject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest
- Original Message -
From: Henry Linneweh
To: Vincent J. Bono ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Sean Donelan
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts
On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 10:07, Owen DeLong wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
If you want to reconnect the chain back together without replacing the
lock, you'll need a key from an
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Owen DeLong wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
If you want to put the chain back together, you'll need to open one of the
locks, or add another lock in it's place.
Owen DeLong wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
Additionally, most of these things are in remote enough locations that
you are unlikely to be observed using the bolt cutters to gain
www.telcove.com
They are running a DS3 'through' our building, enters one side and exits the
other. They refused to run a spur but are adding a loop for us.
I'd love to know of a telco that does this right without
having to stand
over them.
Ray Burkholder
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Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
If you want to reconnect the chain back together without replacing the
lock, you'll
nt J. Bono; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Sean DonelanSubject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest - Original Message - From: Henry LinnewehTo: Vincent J. Bono ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Sean DonelanSent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:02 AMSubject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in
You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would
have enabled some form of redundancy.
Redundancy hell. How about a *PADLOCK*?
You mean that these places aren't even locked? Who has (had) the key?
That'd be the first place I looked.
The most amazing things
Subtopics: Redundancy, Hunters.
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 09:37:30PM -0500, Robert M. Enger wrote:
You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would
have enabled some form of redundancy.
If a single fiber cut takes them out, it's not _just_ Qwest's fault.
A service like 911
Based on my knowledge of fiber routes in Western Fairfax and Loudoun
County and also from
my NASA / US Navy days, there is a whole lot of security through
obscurity in the physical infrastructure.
On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 08:43 AM, Alex Yuriev wrote:
You'd think after three previous
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:27:49 -0800 (PST) David Raistrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Owen DeLong wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
If you want to put the chain
The Qwest CO in downtown Bellingham WA has a large microwave drum aimed at
Orcas Island in the San Juans. The Qwest tower on Orcas has line of site,
and what appears to be microwave DS3 rigs aimed at both Anacortes and
Friday Harbor. Friday Harbor has a spur of the fiber line (SOUTH of the
At 12:30 PM 11/3/2003, Richard Welty wrote:
how long do you think it'll take anyone to notice the extra locks?
The link I posted showed a *latch* for a door (which could also be used on
a gate if desired), not a series of locks on a chain to chain shut a
gate. With a latch such as this one, you
At 07:32 PM 11/3/2003, John Fraizer wrote:
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Owen DeLong wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
Um, cutting a lock out gets it out of the mix but, you still have to have
JC Dill wrote:
At 07:32 PM 11/3/2003, John Fraizer wrote:
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Owen DeLong wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't
see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks.
Um, cutting a lock out gets it out of the mix
KIRO TV has a report concerning the fiber cuts targeting a particular
fiber route in the Northwest US. It has been been disrupted four times
in the last two years, not by backhoes, but by someone entering a
fiber hut.
North Sound 911 Service Repeatedly Targeted
by Chris Halsne KIRO 7
to be providing
very good oversight.
- Original Message -
From: Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest
KIRO TV has a report concerning the fiber cuts targeting
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 09:37:30PM -0500, Robert M. Enger wrote:
You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would
have enabled some form of redundancy.
The Washington State PUC doesn't appear to be providing
very good oversight.
Farmington, NM doesn't have any redundancy
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 21:37:30 EST, Robert M. Enger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would
have enabled some form of redundancy.
Redundancy hell. How about a *PADLOCK*?
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 21:37:30 EST, Robert M. Enger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would
have enabled some form of redundancy.
Redundancy hell. How about a *PADLOCK*?
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:38:09 PST, Gregory Hicks said:
You mean that these places aren't even locked? Who has (had) the key?
The article says:
While the FBI scrambles to find a suspect, KIRO Team 7 Investigators went to
check out security measures at the Qwest routing station.
We walked
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Either the KIRO guys are lying through their teeth, or somebody dropped the ball
BIG time. The bio of the guy who wrote it is here;
I wonder has he ever tried walking into the transmission hut next
lets not even begin to talk about American Towers Inc cell
tower and relay facilities :) :(
same combo on about 60 towers I know of
security comes down to the human condition
its a bitch to remember all those combo's, keep them
updated, or install wiggle wire card readers, bad readers
lost
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, John Brown (CV) wrote:
lets not even begin to talk about American Towers Inc cell
tower and relay facilities :) :(
same combo on about 60 towers I know of
just like padlocks at Fairfax County Public Schools... all are key #1345
(or where when I went through that
At 08:53 PM 11/2/2003, you wrote:
I'm fairly certain that the telco huts or CO's have to accomodate multiple
groups having access, so I'd bet that a padlock probably is a tough sell
There are special latches that accommodate multiple padlocks, where
unlocking any one padlock opens the latch.
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