Re: Security v. Privacy (was Re: Is there anything that actually gets users to fix their computers?)

2003-10-05 Thread Matthew Sullivan
Sean Donelan wrote: The difference being campus machines are null routed rather than disconnected, and they are not reconnected until checked and clean. And once again, the question: how do you know the machines have been checked and cleaned before they are reconnected? Do you take the custo

Re: Security v. Privacy (was Re: Is there anything that actually gets users to fix their computers?)

2003-10-05 Thread Sean Donelan
> The difference being campus machines are null routed rather than > disconnected, and they are not reconnected until checked and clean. And once again, the question: how do you know the machines have been checked and cleaned before they are reconnected? Do you take the customers word, or do you

Re: Security v. Privacy (was Re: Is there anything that actually gets users to fix their computers?)

2003-10-05 Thread Matthew Sullivan
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Matthew Sullivan [06/10/03 11:38 +1000]: Third time their account is deleted. I am yet to have one that has reached the third time - 85k users here. Let me guess - that'd mostly be dialup users, right? Or maybe simply email users? Not (say) T1 and larger us

Re: Security v. Privacy (was Re: Is there anything that actually gets users to fix their computers?)

2003-10-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 02:43:48 -, Suresh Ramasubramanian said: > > Matthew Sullivan [06/10/03 11:38 +1000]: > > Third time their account is deleted. > > > > I am yet to have one that has reached the third time - 85k users here. > > Let me guess - that'd mostly be dialup users, right? Or maybe

Re: Security v. Privacy (was Re: Is there anything that actually gets users to fix their computers?)

2003-10-05 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Matthew Sullivan [06/10/03 11:38 +1000]: > Third time their account is deleted. > > I am yet to have one that has reached the third time - 85k users here. Let me guess - that'd mostly be dialup users, right? Or maybe simply email users? Not (say) T1 and larger users? -- srs (postmaster|sure

Re: Security v. Privacy (was Re: Is there anything that actually gets users to fix their computers?)

2003-10-05 Thread Matthew Sullivan
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Sean Donelan [05/10/03 17:44 -0400]: What happens a few hours later when you start getting complaints again about the same customer? Do you turn the connection off again. And Sure, turn it off again. And again. Sooner or later, it will dawn on the customer

Re: Security v. Privacy (was Re: Is there anything that actually gets users to fix their computers?)

2003-10-05 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Sean Donelan [05/10/03 17:44 -0400]: > What happens a few hours later when you start getting complaints again > about the same customer? Do you turn the connection off again. And Sure, turn it off again. And again. Sooner or later, it will dawn on the customer that no, his system is not fixed

Re: Security v. Privacy (was Re: Is there anything that actually gets users to fix their computers?)

2003-10-05 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > So from an ISPs point of view, is there a way for the ISP to quickly > > tell the customer if the particular computer is fixed without unduly > > Isolate his IP and have all outbound http redirected to a page that > says "please call [escalated

Re: Security v. Privacy (was Re: Is there anything that actually gets users to fix their computers?)

2003-10-05 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Sean Donelan [05/10/03 16:49 -0400]: > There are some differences between private networks and public networks. > In a company, the company is the "owner" of the PCs and employees (in the Very true - and that was the context I mentioned this in. > So from an ISPs point of view, is there a way fo

Security v. Privacy (was Re: Is there anything that actually gets users to fix their computers?)

2003-10-05 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Kee Hinckley [05/10/03 00:57 -0400]: > > Bringing this back to the more relevant topic. Is there something > > that ISPs could do to notify users and get in their face more without > > shutting off their connection? Perhaps a custom piece of >