Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-21 Thread Nils Ketelsen
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 07:54:09PM -0400, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: Assuming I wanted to go about setting up an NNTP server, how would I go about getting and maintaining the feeds? There's no central authority AFAIK, but does anyone have any knowledge as to relative price and/or

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-21 Thread David Lesher
[I'm informed my post violated the AUP. I submit a modified revision] Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: People still use usenet? ;) yes. Seriously though, you'd have to be an awfully large organization for outsourced news to not be a slam dunk financially.

SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Rick Chavez
Does anyone know of one? Hell, has anyone even considered starting one? For that matter, would anyone be interested or willing to pay for their services if someone did or is bandwidth so cheap that it's just not needed anymore? ...rdc

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Jay Hennigan
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Rick Chavez wrote: Does anyone know of one? No but would probably be interested as a customer. Hell, has anyone even considered starting one? Possibly. For that matter, would anyone be interested or willing to pay for their services if someone did or is bandwidth so

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread jason
Does anyone know of one? No. Hell, has anyone even considered starting one? No, and I doubt anybody seriously has. As a former employee, I can vouch that the transponder costs were prohibitive to any start-up. It's possible that a large established provider might be able to absorb the

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Rick Chavez wrote: Does anyone know of one? Hell, has anyone even considered starting one? For that matter, would anyone be interested or willing to pay for their services if someone did or is bandwidth so cheap that it's just not needed anymore? Hadn't it gotten to

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread jason
Hadn't it gotten to the point shortly before Cidera folded that the satellite bandwidth was so insufficient for a full feed that it was of questionable value?...or was it still fine if you wanted a usenet feed with no binaries? Probably. Yes. IIRC, a full feed of usenet (3 years ago) was

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Dills
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Rick Chavez wrote: Does anyone know of one? Hell, has anyone even considered starting one? For that matter, would anyone be interested or willing to pay for their services if someone did or is bandwidth so cheap that it's just not needed anymore? People still use

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Andrew - Supernews
jason == jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jason Probably. Yes. jason IIRC, a full feed of usenet (3 years ago) was approx 250GB+ jason per day. The overwhelming majority of that was multi-part jason binaries. Cut them out and you should have plenty of room jason across the transponder,

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Majdi Abbas
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 03:15:47PM -0400, Jon Lewis wrote: Hadn't it gotten to the point shortly before Cidera folded that the satellite bandwidth was so insufficient for a full feed that it was of questionable value?...or was it still fine if you wanted a usenet feed with no binaries?

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: remember exactly). The point is that the Usenet feed ended up throttled at ~25mbps(?). If you don't care about binaries of various descriptions, you can still stuff a full feed through a very small pipe (a pair of T1s should be more than

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Paul G
- Original Message - From: Jon Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement? Now...if there were napster for pr0n, then abpe would be unnecessary :) there is: it's

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Robert Bonomi
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep 20 14:37:38 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement? Hadn't it gotten to the point shortly before Cidera folded that the satellite bandwidth was so insufficient for a full feed that it was of questionable

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Majdi Abbas wrote: I'll bite, and reveal my ultimate cluelessness here. Assuming I wanted to go about setting up an NNTP server, how would I go about getting and maintaining the feeds? There's no central authority AFAIK, but does anyone have any knowledge as to relative

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: People still use usenet? ;) yes. Seriously though, you'd have to be an awfully large organization for outsourced news to not be a slam dunk financially. Perhaps, but Panix runs their own; one of the many reasons they get my

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Matthew Crocker
On Sep 20, 2004, at 7:54 PM, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Majdi Abbas wrote: I'll bite, and reveal my ultimate cluelessness here. Assuming I wanted to go about setting up an NNTP server, how would I go about getting and maintaining the feeds? There's no central

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Majdi Abbas wrote: Jon, I recall some reported problems along those lines. That even without binaries, they were running out of overhead. Given that USENET volume tends to grow, I'm betting that it would require a lot more capacity now. We were customers up

Re: SkyCache/Cidera replacement?

2004-09-20 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004, Matthew Crocker wrote: First, you go out and buy the biggest server you can find, buy more drive space than you can afford. Then, buy more. You *may* be able to get a feed from your upstream service providers. You'll want to have at least 2 feeds and you should