Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-05 Thread John Dupuy
At 07:48 AM 5/5/2006, Peter Cohen wrote: On 5/4/06, Aaron Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > why would anyone do that? > > --bill > Some companies feel entitled to charging more for their routes than they would for simple tr

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-05 Thread Todd Vierling
On 5/5/06, Peter Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hopefully this comes out clearly, as writing can be more confusing than speaking... Are you getting at Inter AS /SLA/QOS that you would get from transit vs. best effort peering? Even that has some issues, the one that jumps out to me is hopeful

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-05 Thread Michael . Dillon
> > On 5/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > karoshi.com> wrote: > > > > > > why would anyone do that? > Hopefully this comes out clearly, as writing can be more confusing > than speaking... > My point is it is hard to do anything beyond the first AS# for any SLA > that you woul

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-05 Thread Peter Cohen
On 5/4/06, Aaron Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > why would anyone do that? > > --bill > Some companies feel entitled to charging more for their routes than they would for simple transit. aaron.glenn John: Hopefully this

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread Aaron Glenn
On 5/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: why would anyone do that? --bill Some companies feel entitled to charging more for their routes than they would for simple transit. aaron.glenn

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread Brandon Ross
Well, I suppose that depends on what you mean by Tier 1. ;-) We do buy from a number of providers, many of which would be considered Tier 1 by many people. On Thu, 4 May 2006, Jon Lyons wrote: Internap? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:25:35AM -0500, John Dupuy wrote:

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 12:57 PM 5/4/2006, Jon Lyons wrote: Internap? Yes. That's what I was thinking, but too easy? -M< -- Martin Hannigan(c) 617-388-2663 Renesys Corporation(w) 617-395-8574 Member of Technical Staff Networ

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread Jon Lyons
Internap?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:25:35AM -0500, John Dupuy wrote:> > From an off-list discussion:> > Does anyone know of an ISP that has paid transit from all known SFP > (Tier 1) providers? (sort of the old SAVVIS model on steroids.)> > John why would anyone do that?--

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread Jon Lyons
Internap?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:25:35AM -0500, John Dupuy wrote:> > From an off-list discussion:> > Does anyone know of an ISP that has paid transit from all known SFP > (Tier 1) providers? (sort of the old SAVVIS model on steroids.)> > John why would anyone do that?--

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread bmanning
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:25:35AM -0500, John Dupuy wrote: > > From an off-list discussion: > > Does anyone know of an ISP that has paid transit from all known SFP > (Tier 1) providers? (sort of the old SAVVIS model on steroids.) > > John why would anyone do that? --bill

Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread John Dupuy
From an off-list discussion: Does anyone know of an ISP that has paid transit from all known SFP (Tier 1) providers? (sort of the old SAVVIS model on steroids.) John