Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-04 Thread bmanning
I don't think gtld-servers.net uses anycast; someone correct me if I'm wrong. F-root != gtld-servers.net. perhaps on two counts... ) the gtld-servers.net machines are anycast. ) F is not unique, they are just a whole lot more vocal about their anycasting.

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-04 Thread Edward B. Dreger
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 13:40:56 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] perhaps on two counts... ) the gtld-servers.net machines are anycast. ) F is not unique, they are just a whole lot more vocal about their anycasting. You're not the only one to correct me and say gtld

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-04 Thread Rob Payne
On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 04:14:30PM +, Edward B. Dreger wrote: You're not the only one to correct me and say gtld _is_ anycast. How many of the roots are? I thought there was one besides F, but didn't think it was that many... At least C, I, J, K, M (http://www.root-servers.org/)

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-04 Thread bmanning
On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 12:31:01PM -0400, Rob Payne wrote: On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 04:14:30PM +, Edward B. Dreger wrote: You're not the only one to correct me and say gtld _is_ anycast. How many of the roots are? I thought there was one besides F, but didn't think it was that

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-04 Thread Bill Woodcock
How many of the roots are? I thought there was one besides F, but didn't think it was that many... At least C, I, J, K, M (http://www.root-servers.org/) And G, I believe. That's at least eight of the thirteen. -Bill

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-03 Thread Per Gregers Bilse
On Jul 2, 2:48pm, Jeff Wasilko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 02:38:12PM -0400, Patrick W Gilmore wrote: run .org, I just think a blanket statement anycast is bad is, well, bad.) I'd be totally happy to see a combination, too. It's just pretty obvious that the current

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-03 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Jeff Wasilko wrote: Can't we just go back to non-anycast, please? Uh, how much additional down-time did you want? Rolling the clock back a decade isn't going to make things _better_. -Bill

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-03 Thread Edward B. Dreger
PGB Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 11:28:10 +0100 PGB From: Per Gregers Bilse PGB At least the previous outage (a couple of weeks ago) had PGB nothing to do with anycast, I was getting NXDOMAIN replies PGB back, and no kind of fallback or non-anycast deployment PGB would have helped. Moreover, it would

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-03 Thread Edward B. Dreger
JW Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 11:22:34 -0400 JW From: Jeff Wasilko JW On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 06:45:44AM -0700, Bill Woodcock wrote: JW JW Uh, how much additional down-time did you want? Rolling JW the clock back a decade isn't going to make things JW _better_. JW JW Why do you say that? JW JW

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-02 Thread Jeff Wasilko
On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 11:12:31PM -0400, Joe Maimon wrote: Come to think about it, there was a thread here a while back about this very thing. root server robustness and all that. What number/timeframe reported .org hiccup does this make? It's at least the 2nd. Last big one was

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-02 Thread Patrick W Gilmore
On Jul 2, 2004, at 2:32 PM, Jeff Wasilko wrote: Can't we just go back to non-anycast, please? You mean like the roots Er, wait a second Now, if you suggest a combination, that might be reasonable. (I don't run .org, I just think a blanket statement anycast is bad is, well, bad.) --

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-02 Thread Jeff Wasilko
On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 02:38:12PM -0400, Patrick W Gilmore wrote: On Jul 2, 2004, at 2:32 PM, Jeff Wasilko wrote: Can't we just go back to non-anycast, please? You mean like the roots Er, wait a second Now, if you suggest a combination, that might be reasonable. (I don't

Who broke .org?

2004-07-01 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
I guess I'll ask first... -- Richard A Steenbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-01 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: I guess I'll ask first... maybe they had some whacky attack like Akamai got? I'll have to troll the nanog archives for the info on finding which/where/what .org TLD box you are querying when there are problems. Rodney had noted that such info

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-01 Thread Tim Wilde
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: maybe they had some whacky attack like Akamai got? I'll have to troll the nanog archives for the info on finding which/where/what .org TLD box you are querying when there are problems. Rodney had noted that such info is helpful for them to

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-01 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Tim Wilde wrote: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: maybe they had some whacky attack like Akamai got? I'll have to troll the nanog archives for the info on finding which/where/what .org TLD box you are querying when there are problems. Rodney had

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-01 Thread Joe Maimon
Richard A Steenbergen wrote: I guess I'll ask first... There was a gentleman a while back that posited that having only two anycast NS records was broken by design. Suggested that while servicing the whole TLD from two NS that were really a little army of anycast clusters all around out

Re: Who broke .org?

2004-07-01 Thread David A . Ulevitch
On Jul 1, 2004, at 8:12 PM, Joe Maimon wrote: There was a gentleman a while back that posited that having only two anycast NS records was broken by design. It's the mother of SPOFs. (when your anti-spof solution has an spof...) Something about eggs all in one basket. The basket being the anycast