Re: anycast roots

2004-11-17 Thread Matt Larson
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Elmar K. Bins wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephane Bortzmeyer) wrote: > > > It is not easy to find by itself (you have to do a lot of traceroutes) > > so, if you have access to this information, it would be quite useful. > > > > (I'm one of the persons who see a lot of ji

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-17 Thread Paul Vixie
> > as far as i know, the root-servers.org web site is 100% accurate, > > Following the recent discussion about "anycast jitter" with > j.root-servers.net, I believe one information is missing: wether the > node is global or local (BGP NO_EXPORT). note that BGP NO_EXPORT is but one of several w

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-17 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 10:05:20AM -0500, Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 36 lines which said: > I have no idea about Verisign's scheme, but in case anybody notices > similar distribution of queries across F root servers, it may help to > know that: > > xxxNa.f.root-server

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17 Nov 2004, at 08:37, Elmar K. Bins wrote: in alternating fashion, but I would assume "jns1" through "jns6" are just the individual servers of a setup called "hgtld". I have no idea about Verisign's scheme, but in case anybody notices similar distribution of queries across F root servers, it

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-17 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 02:37:25PM +0100, Elmar K. Bins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 34 lines which said: > in alternating fashion, but I would assume "jns1" through "jns6" are > just the individual servers of a setup called "hgtld". That's a reasonable guess. Someone from Verisign

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-17 Thread Elmar K. Bins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephane Bortzmeyer) wrote: > It is not easy to find by itself (you have to do a lot of traceroutes) > so, if you have access to this information, it would be quite useful. > > (I'm one of the persons who see a lot of jitter for > j.root-servers.net with Randy Bush's experimen

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-17 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 11:00:54PM +, Paul Vixie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 18 lines which said: > as far as i know, the root-servers.org web site is 100% accurate, Following the recent discussion about "anycast jitter" with j.root-servers.net, I believe one information is mi

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-14 Thread William Allen Simpson
Paul Vixie wrote (responding to Bill Manning): ... The public data about "B" on that site is not 100% accurate and does not have 100% participation amoungst root-server operators wrt publishing accurate information. you've got root on that web server. if you want something removed, you c

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-13 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > I think it is time to update rfc2870 and add a few new MUST paragraphs :-) Do you want a refund on your root-server bill?

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-13 Thread Hank Nussbacher
Randy, I think it is time to update rfc2870 and add a few new MUST paragraphs :-) -Hank On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Randy Bush wrote: > > > root-servers.org is not definative. why do you think it is? > > because the community expects the root server ops to be > helpful, open, honest, and transparent.

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-13 Thread Randy Bush
> root-servers.org is not definative. why do you think it is? because the community expects the root server ops to be helpful, open, honest, and transparent. you know, all that service to the community stuff. damned shame not all seem to be. randy

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-13 Thread Hank Nussbacher
And we, the users, appreciate the info being kept up to date. Thanks for the work, -Hank > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > for those nodes that choose to use root-servers.org as a > > > > publication method, ... > > > > > > > > > >as far as i know, the root-servers.org we

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-13 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 04:25 AM 13-11-04 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 11:00:54PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > for those nodes that choose to use root-servers.org as a > > publication method, ... > > > > as far as i know, the root-servers.org web site

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-13 Thread Paul Vixie
> please remove all public informtion about "B" from > http://www.root-servers.org. The public data about "B" > on that site is not 100% accurate and does not have 100% participation > amoungst root-server operators wrt publishing accurate information. you've got root o

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-12 Thread Randy Bush
> i'm saying that there is no place that is public that > has connectivity information for all instances of the > "B" servers. considering, do we care? i sure don't. randy

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-12 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 11:00:54PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > for those nodes that choose to use root-servers.org as a > > publication method, ... > > > > as far as i know, the root-servers.org web site is 100% accurate, and has > 100% participation amo

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-12 Thread bmanning
vember 12, 2004 7:19 AM > > To: Andrei Robachevsky > > Cc: Elmar K. Bins; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: anycast roots > > > > > > > Helsinki (FI); Geneva (CH). www.root-servers.org is up to date. > > > > for those nodes that choose

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-12 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > for those nodes that choose to use root-servers.org as a > publication method, ... > as far as i know, the root-servers.org web site is 100% accurate, and has 100% participation amongst root server operators wrt publishing accurate information. if bill kn

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-12 Thread Randy Bush
> Don't presume to speak for the other operators please. got a mirror around the house?

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-12 Thread Andrei Robachevsky
Bill, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Helsinki (FI); Geneva (CH). www.root-servers.org is up to date. for those nodes that choose to use root-servers.org as a publication method, that might be true. I take your note to mean that www.root-servers.org is up to date wrt the publica

RE: anycast roots

2004-11-12 Thread Ray Plzak
operators. Ray > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:19 AM > To: Andrei Robachevsky > Cc: Elmar K. Bins; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: anycast roots > >

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-12 Thread bmanning
> Helsinki (FI); Geneva (CH). www.root-servers.org is up to date. for those nodes that choose to use root-servers.org as a publication method, that might be true. I take your note to mean that www.root-servers.org is up to date wrt the publication of deployed sites for t

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-12 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 07:30:58AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > > > > which roots are anycast? c f i j k? > > > b m > > > > g > > Not according to http://root-servers.org. Hiding the places? > > -Hank root-servers.org is not definative. why do you think it is? --bill

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-12 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 07:30:00AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > > > which roots are anycast? c f i j k? > > > > b m > > > > - - kurtis - > > According to http://root-servers.org only m is. > > -Hank root-servers.org does not representevery root-server operator. --bill

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-12 Thread Andrei Robachevsky
Elmar K. Bins wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kurt Erik Lindqvist) wrote: On 2004-11-12, at 02.53, Randy Bush wrote: which roots are anycast? c f i j k? b m k (London, Amsterdam, Frankfurt) K is also in Athens (GR); Doha (QA); Milan (IT); Reykjavik (IS); Helsinki (FI); Geneva (CH). www.root-servers.o

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-12 Thread Elmar K. Bins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kurt Erik Lindqvist) wrote: > On 2004-11-12, at 02.53, Randy Bush wrote: > > > which roots are anycast? c f i j k? > b m k (London, Amsterdam, Frankfurt) Elmar. -- "Begehe nur nicht den Fehler, Meinung durch Sachverstand zu substituieren." (PLemke

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-11 Thread Hank Nussbacher
> which are widely anycast, i.e. at more than three or four > locations OR on three or more continents? 3 or more continents: that would be f i and j -Hank > > randy

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-11 Thread Hank Nussbacher
> > > which roots are anycast? c f i j k? > > b m > > g Not according to http://root-servers.org. Hiding the places? -Hank

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-11 Thread Hank Nussbacher
> > which roots are anycast? c f i j k? > > b m > > - - kurtis - According to http://root-servers.org only m is. -Hank

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-11 Thread Randy Bush
> and the good folks on nanog would know this why? dunno, bill. maybe because it has to do with network operations? but we did get the answers we needed, thanks to some of those good folk. and non-answers from others. all as expected. welcome to the internet. randy

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-11 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 06:03:42PM -0800, Randy Bush wrote: > > >> which roots are anycast? c f i j k? > > b m > > thanks. > > which are widely anycast, i.e. at more than three or four > locations OR on three or more continents? > > randy and the good folks on nanog would know this

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-11 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2004-11-12, at 03.03, Randy Bush wrote: >>> which roots are anycast? c f i j k? >> b m > > thanks. > > which are widely anycast, i.e. at more than three or four > locations OR on three or more continents? I think that http://root-servers.org is

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-11 Thread Randy Bush
>> which roots are anycast? c f i j k? > b m thanks. which are widely anycast, i.e. at more than three or four locations OR on three or more continents? randy

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-11 Thread Bill Woodcock
> > which roots are anycast? c f i j k? > b m g -Bill

Re: anycast roots

2004-11-11 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2004-11-12, at 02.53, Randy Bush wrote: > > which roots are anycast? c f i j k? b m - - kurtis - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.1 iQA/AwUBQZQYaqarNKXTPFCVEQJcDACeMo3bNr6oOIRx69IvmCdMv/Xe3l0AnA4d QdMSlL6vKhLe3xqRKkAf3LfV =LN6i -

anycast roots

2004-11-11 Thread Randy Bush
which roots are anycast? c f i j k? randy