Ordered them when they first became available order is still on "New
Product Hold".
BTW they use standard infiniband cables
Scott C. McGrath
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Thomas Kernen wrote:
>
> >
> > > On the other hand, it'd be nice to see a copper 10GBIC, even if its max
>
> > On the other hand, it'd be nice to see a copper 10GBIC, even if its max
> > cable length were a few metres. ;-)
>
> There is one. It's called CX4 and has a reach of 15 meters. Cisco sold it
> for $600 list price at first but it has now disappeared from the price
> list. I don't know why.
>
>
--On onsdag 1 september 2004 10.31 +0200 Kurt Erik Lindqvist
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> didn't we have this discussion when the T640 came out. How many have
> one?
Nordunet has one. Nice box.
--
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On 2004-08-29, at 15.58, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
>
> If you find the prices staggering, it's likely that you and your
> organization don't need this product. Arguments about price gouging
> on memory, GBICs, power cords, and other commodity items
Lars Erik Gullerud wrote:
Then there's always the option to implement something else. Hm, where
can I order a CARP license again...?
... which is why I think I used VRRP as an example - "ignore and replace" as
opposed to "embrace and extend".
In answer to Mark Borchers' point about the IETF draft
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Simon Lyall wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mark Borchers wrote:
> > Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but this excerpt from
> > http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR//VRRP-CISCO does not seem to me
> > to portend predatory pricing:
>
> However it does make an open source (and cert
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 07:17:22AM +1200, Simon Lyall wrote:
>
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mark Borchers wrote:
> > Peter Galbavy wrote:
> > >
> > > On the other hand, the use of patent licenses (like those
> > > that say "free if
> > > you don't claim against us") for things like VRRP do worry me.
> >
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, Michel Py wrote:
> 1. Support: sometimes you will need vendor support, and
> this is especially true of new products. Putting
> Kingston DRAM in a 2600 is one thing; a limited test on
> a few routers will quickly show if it works or not, and
> the odds of an IOS upgrade that
>> Michel Py wrote:
>> Economics 101. Cisco (and many other vendors, BTW) are not
>> charities. Their purpose is to make investors and
>> shareholders (which includes me) happy. And yes, this
>> includes reselling OEM hardware at astronomical
>> prices when they can, because it never lasts long.
Title: RE: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)
Aha. It appears I was correct in framing my knowledge as out-of-date. :-)
It looks like the technology *has* advanced, and that 10GE on MMF or SMF, single-channel, is what the current state of the art is, and at the $2k-3k
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, Dickson, Brian wrote:
> do, with current-generation chip-production technology. 10Ghz optics are
> old-school lasers, several orders of magnitude larger, much more
> power-hungry, delicate, and in all likelyhood, hand-crafted with low yields.
> They really are that expensive.
Title: Re: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)
Actually, (and this is from memory from a couple of years ago), most of the reason for cost of optics on 10G interfaces is simply *physics* (and the technology of component production at the current state-of-the-art level
Mikael Abrahamsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Is there anyone who can justify this pricing with anything else than
> "because we can?"
To expand on what I said to you privately, let's follow the money:
Assume $200,000/board as the marginal cost of manufacturing one.
Assume a minimum of 65
On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 10:28:24AM -0700, Michel Py wrote:
>
> Economics 101. Cisco (and many other vendors, BTW) are not charities.
> Their purpose is to make investors and shareholders (which includes me)
> happy. And yes, this includes reselling OEM hardware at astronomical
> prices when they
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004, Michel Py wrote:
> Grow up; when you buy a Saab "brand" part or option for a Saab car, it
> costs twice as much as the same aftermarket part, which still is twice
> as much as what you could get if you bought a box of 10 directly from
> the manufacturer, which is twice as muc
> Deepak Jain wrote:
> One could argue that this public & private chaffing is what
> precipitates the competition that alleviates the condition.
> If another vendor doesn't realize there is demand...
Indeed; I'll even give an idea for free:
4 port OC192 IR $1030k
4 port OC192 VSR - $330k
Grow up; when you buy a Saab "brand" part or option for a Saab car, it
costs twice as much as the same aftermarket part, which still is twice
as much as what you could get if you bought a box of 10 directly from
the manufacturer, which is twice as much as it costs them to manufacture
overseas. Eve
> Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> If the VSR card was $899k, the SR card was $999k and the LR
> card was $1099 you wouldn't hear any complaints from me.
That's even worse than the current prices! Given that the VSR is
currently 330k, the SR could be 450k and the IR 500k.
> It's the fact that Cisco
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Michel Py wrote:
> so darn pricey it's because it's so darn good. Like Rolls-Royce cars,
> the ones that buy them are typically not the ones that drive them, so
> technical arguments tend to become irrelevant.
If the VSR card was $899k, the SR card was $999k and the LR card
> Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> 4 port OC192 IR $1030k
> Is there anyone who can justify this pricing
> with anything else than "because we can?"
That's a heck of a good reason! Any for-profit business tries hard to
position themselves where they could name their price.
This pricing is consistent
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, John R. Sosebee wrote:
> I have to agree .. would want not the expense of this added in.
At the huge markup Cisco does regarding their optics, they have the margin
to do this without hiking the price. They're already pricing in a complete
SDH system in their optics markup.
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